Why would asking for an investigation of a political opponent, who has been accused in news reports of potentially corrupt actions, be an abuse of power?

My rep is Conner Lamb and I am not certain he will vote with the D herd.

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If it’s not imperative, why did Donald Trump single him out?

In that respect Hunter creates the COI with VP Biden.

Looking at Burisma and the scores of allegations will involve more than Hunter.

There is a lot of misinformation on both sides to sort through.

If we punch at the obvious falsehoods first we can quickly come to a non-partisan conclusion.

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In the phone call, Trump explicitly calls out two things:

The totally discredited CrowdStrike nonsense
Joe/Hunter Biden

And all the testimony we have afterwards…and what we have from Trump himself afterwards…shows his obsession with those two things never wavered.

There is absolutely zero evidence Donald Trump had any concerns about broader corruption in the Ukraine.

Absolutely zero evidence.

You are filling in those blanks for him.

@JayJay in Trump’s phone call how many times did he use the word corruption?

I disagree.

Trump called the Ukraine a Big Beautiful wall for the EU.

Quintessential Trump and much more than Biden.

Most voters agree with Trump that the US is overly generous with foreign aid and it should be questioned and reduced for every nation.

Biden has only himself to blame for the questions regarding COI from trump and voters and even the media who are ramping up efforts to look at this now. Biden punched at corruption and filled in the Trump blanks for him.

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Clearly, his signature was needed to release the aid, so he must have authority to sign, or not sign until later, thus delaying the release of the aid. I understand there are protocols in place for Trump not to release, i. e. to withhold the aid, but he did not resort to those and was therefore obliged to release the aid by a latest date, which he did.

This many times…

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" October 17, 2019: Written testimony of U.S. ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland includes: “President Trump was skeptical that Ukraine was serious about reforms and anti- corruption , and he directed those of us present at the meeting to talk to Mr. Giuliani, his personal attorney, about his concerns.”

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What did Mr. Sondland also say?

The EU, European nations and European institutions have given the Ukraine ~four times the amount of aid the United States has.

Why do you uncritically accept it when President Trump tells you falsehoods?

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Can we punch at the legitimacy of the Crowdstrike conspiracy?

Consider the about face that Senator Kennedy made yesterday. On the Sunday talk shows, he claimed that no one knew who was behind the hacking of the 2016 election and it certainly could have been the Ukraine. Yesterday, he reversed course and said that of course it was the Russians who interfered in the election and the Ukraine had nothing to do with it.

As more Republicans punch at the the obvious falsehoods at the core of the Trump defense, we will reach a non-partisan conclusion.

Falsehood?

Loans and aid are not the same.

Symbolism aside, Ukraine remains in serious trouble. A new study commissioned by the European Parliament declared the Eastern Partnership to be an overall success, but also noted that 94 percent of the aid to Ukraine has been in the form of loans, saddling the country with debt that will hinder its recovery in the long term. Over the next five years, the country will have to repay €38 billion, yet there are just €5 billion in reserves in the National Bank.

The political agreement with the EU has brought “Kiev closer to the EU and other Western institutions than ever before,” the report’s authors wrote, citing a new visa-free travel regime. “In the wake of the Euromaidan Revolution and subsequent Russian challenges to Ukraine’s sovereignty, the era of geopolitical choice for Kiev is over. Still, these dramatic events have made EU and NATO membership more distant than ever.”

From 2017.

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Those statements each stand on their own.

Russia meddled…Ukraine may have hacked…we don’t know.

Brevity is your friend.

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That wasn’t an about face…that was intentional gaslighting.

President Trump has done that too.

It sows doubt and confusion…and they do it on purpose.

Do you believe Sondland’s testimony that " President Trump was skeptical that Ukraine was serious about reforms and anti- corruption , and he directed those of us present at the meeting to talk to Mr. Giuliani, his personal attorney, about his concerns.” ?

Kennedy’s position, supported by all of US intelligence is that Russia hacked the DNC servers.

The only source claiming the possibility of a hack from the Ukraine, is the Russians.

Since the digital signal analyses were able to trace the hacks back to specific servers, locations and even individuals – all in Russia, any claim that the Ukraine “may have hacked” is simply a repetition of Russian propaganda.

Americans don’t benefit from the repetition of Russian propaganda. Brief enough for you.

We do too know. They didnt

Of course I do because Mr. Trump’s own public comments on the matter support Mr. Sondland’s assertions.

He couldn’t even name any other entity within the Ukraine that he was interested in investigating or investigating when asked point blank about it.

His public comments have all been about the stupid CrowdStrike nonsense and Biden/Burisma.

Period.

Many Trump aupporters fill in the blanks Trump doesn’t because they support him uncritically.

It’s the same phenomenon that underlies giving Trump credit for things he hasn’t done and thinking he’s more sophisticated than he is.