Why do you on the Left support something that has no basis in logic or science, is largely harmful and whose damage is irreversible?

Eagle-Keeper · September 23, 2023, 9:43pm

What do the terms man and woman mean? Are you saying they are clearly defined?

Bosun · September 23, 2023, 9:44pm

Reminds me of Third Generation Curse.

thinkingman · September 23, 2023, 9:46pm

so true

first gay lesbian black woman press sec. gasp! you’re special, and automatically qualified.

Bosun · September 23, 2023, 9:49pm

Why Eagle Keeper, you know it is scientific. Just like Dr Faucci 's hairbrain science…

I am not saying trans is hairbrained, the science part of it i am not sure of.

I am not being offensive . Just trying to wrap my brain around the “science” part of chromosomes or the lack thereof.

Bosun · September 23, 2023, 9:56pm

Are criminals assigned criminalolgy at birth or do the pick it up through experiences? Is good or evil assigned at birth? I am trying to.understand tendencies. What draws one to ones destiny. We may be able to have a deep meaningful conversation about tendencies that may or may not conflict with science.

Eagle-Keeper · September 23, 2023, 10:09pm

Jezcoe:

DougBH:

Eagle-Keeper:

If gender cannot be defined or is arbitrary and not based in logic or science then what is the rationale behind accepting the whole notion of trans?

It kills me when they talk about “gender assigned at birth”. It’s like there is this committee deciding: ok, let’s make that one male, that one male, and let’s make that one female.
We all know how this “assigning” is done. It’s the physical sex of the child and it was “assigned” before they got to the hospital. So what is with this game of saying “gender assigned at birth”? There has to be a point. Are they trying to trick us into believing that the selection is made by the hospital organization and not by nature?

1-1.7% of people are born with some sort of intersex trait or ambiguous genitalia.

In those cases gender is often assigned at birth.

First thing, you mean sex, not gender, correct? I’m assuming that you view the notion as now arbitrary.

Here’s a couple of questions as the scientific reality of intersex poses certain things to consider. First, do you know what percentage of people born with intersex traits later philosophically reject the sex they are assigned at birth? Second, what scientific criteria is being used to assign someone who is intersex a particular sex?

Eagle-Keeper · September 23, 2023, 10:12pm

Nice red herring!

WuWei · September 23, 2023, 10:15pm

WHAT!?

No there aren’t!

Jezcoe · September 23, 2023, 10:33pm

Eagle-Keeper:

Jezcoe:

DougBH:

Eagle-Keeper:

If gender cannot be defined or is arbitrary and not based in logic or science then what is the rationale behind accepting the whole notion of trans?

It kills me when they talk about “gender assigned at birth”. It’s like there is this committee deciding: ok, let’s make that one male, that one male, and let’s make that one female.
We all know how this “assigning” is done. It’s the physical sex of the child and it was “assigned” before they got to the hospital. So what is with this game of saying “gender assigned at birth”? There has to be a point. Are they trying to trick us into believing that the selection is made by the hospital organization and not by nature?

1-1.7% of people are born with some sort of intersex trait or ambiguous genitalia.

In those cases gender is often assigned at birth.

First thing, you mean sex, not gender, correct? I’m assuming that you view the notion as now arbitrary.

Here’s a couple of questions as the scientific reality of intersex poses certain things to consider. First, do you know what percentage of people born with intersex traits later philosophically reject the sex they are assigned at birth? Second, what scientific criteria is being used to assign someone who is intersex a particular sex?

Sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t reject it.

If one can be born with genitalia that is sexually ambiguous and thus have their gender chosen for them… then why is it so hard to accept that some people can be born with sexually ambiguous brains that does not match up with their genitalia.

Biology is messy and nature does not care for our imposed binary view of things.

WuWei · September 23, 2023, 10:40pm

How many genders are there? And why do trannys always choose “the other one”?

Optrader · September 23, 2023, 11:34pm

Jezcoe:

Eagle-Keeper:

Jezcoe:

DougBH:

Eagle-Keeper:

If gender cannot be defined or is arbitrary and not based in logic or science then what is the rationale behind accepting the whole notion of trans?

It kills me when they talk about “gender assigned at birth”. It’s like there is this committee deciding: ok, let’s make that one male, that one male, and let’s make that one female.
We all know how this “assigning” is done. It’s the physical sex of the child and it was “assigned” before they got to the hospital. So what is with this game of saying “gender assigned at birth”? There has to be a point. Are they trying to trick us into believing that the selection is made by the hospital organization and not by nature?

1-1.7% of people are born with some sort of intersex trait or ambiguous genitalia.

In those cases gender is often assigned at birth.

First thing, you mean sex, not gender, correct? I’m assuming that you view the notion as now arbitrary.

Here’s a couple of questions as the scientific reality of intersex poses certain things to consider. First, do you know what percentage of people born with intersex traits later philosophically reject the sex they are assigned at birth? Second, what scientific criteria is being used to assign someone who is intersex a particular sex?

Sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t reject it.

If one can be born with genitalia that is sexually ambiguous and thus have their gender chosen for them… then why is it so hard to accept that some people can be born with sexually ambiguous brains that does not match up with their genitalia.

Biology is messy and nature does not care for our imposed binary view of things.

Who imposes XX or XY chromosomes?

DougBH · September 23, 2023, 11:35pm

Ok. I found one source that said that and another that said it was about one in two to four thousand. In either case, they are using the phrase “assigned at birth” to refer to less than 2% and they are using it for everybody? How odd.

Jezcoe · September 23, 2023, 11:35pm

Optrader:

Jezcoe:

Eagle-Keeper:

Jezcoe:

DougBH:

Eagle-Keeper:

If gender cannot be defined or is arbitrary and not based in logic or science then what is the rationale behind accepting the whole notion of trans?

It kills me when they talk about “gender assigned at birth”. It’s like there is this committee deciding: ok, let’s make that one male, that one male, and let’s make that one female.
We all know how this “assigning” is done. It’s the physical sex of the child and it was “assigned” before they got to the hospital. So what is with this game of saying “gender assigned at birth”? There has to be a point. Are they trying to trick us into believing that the selection is made by the hospital organization and not by nature?

1-1.7% of people are born with some sort of intersex trait or ambiguous genitalia.

In those cases gender is often assigned at birth.

First thing, you mean sex, not gender, correct? I’m assuming that you view the notion as now arbitrary.

Here’s a couple of questions as the scientific reality of intersex poses certain things to consider. First, do you know what percentage of people born with intersex traits later philosophically reject the sex they are assigned at birth? Second, what scientific criteria is being used to assign someone who is intersex a particular sex?

Sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t reject it.

If one can be born with genitalia that is sexually ambiguous and thus have their gender chosen for them… then why is it so hard to accept that some people can be born with sexually ambiguous brains that does not match up with their genitalia.

Biology is messy and nature does not care for our imposed binary view of things.

Who imposes XX or XY chromosomes?

XX and XY are not complete determiners of what sex someone will be born.

For example there is such a thing as an XY female.

Nature doesn’t care about our need to neatly categorize everything

Jezcoe · September 23, 2023, 11:38pm

Well… about 1-2% see themselves as trans… so it kind of tracks.

If you don’t want to use the phrase assigned at birth… then don’t. No one will force you to.

DougBH · September 23, 2023, 11:44pm

No. I just find it odd. There has to be a thought behind it because it is so prevalent with those pushing that trans become real members of their pretend gender.
And are you saying that those claiming trans are the same ones born with ambiguous sex organs? I’ve never heard that one before

Optrader · September 23, 2023, 11:50pm

Jezcoe:

Optrader:

Jezcoe:

Eagle-Keeper:

Jezcoe:

DougBH:

Eagle-Keeper:

If gender cannot be defined or is arbitrary and not based in logic or science then what is the rationale behind accepting the whole notion of trans?

It kills me when they talk about “gender assigned at birth”. It’s like there is this committee deciding: ok, let’s make that one male, that one male, and let’s make that one female.
We all know how this “assigning” is done. It’s the physical sex of the child and it was “assigned” before they got to the hospital. So what is with this game of saying “gender assigned at birth”? There has to be a point. Are they trying to trick us into believing that the selection is made by the hospital organization and not by nature?

1-1.7% of people are born with some sort of intersex trait or ambiguous genitalia.

In those cases gender is often assigned at birth.

First thing, you mean sex, not gender, correct? I’m assuming that you view the notion as now arbitrary.

Here’s a couple of questions as the scientific reality of intersex poses certain things to consider. First, do you know what percentage of people born with intersex traits later philosophically reject the sex they are assigned at birth? Second, what scientific criteria is being used to assign someone who is intersex a particular sex?

Sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t reject it.

If one can be born with genitalia that is sexually ambiguous and thus have their gender chosen for them… then why is it so hard to accept that some people can be born with sexually ambiguous brains that does not match up with their genitalia.

Biology is messy and nature does not care for our imposed binary view of things.

Who imposes XX or XY chromosomes?

XX and XY are not complete determiners of what sex someone will be born.

For example there is such a thing as an XY female.

Nature doesn’t care about our need to neatly categorize everything

Such cases happen due to mutations. Are you claiming that trans are mutants, or to be less abrasive, abnormal? You really can’t have it both ways. Either they are abnormal, in which case, stop trying to normalize them, or they are normal, in which case your example is meaningless. The number of XY females does not account for the percentage of kids who are recently discovering they are trans after being "assigned’ a sex at birth. The rise in the percentage of newly discovered trans kids is much more likely correlated to the rise in totalitarian Lib control of our public education system. That’s why your leaders have labeled conservative parents as domestic terrorists and resisting the idea that parents should be the ones who decide, or at least ought to have a say, in what their kids are being taught in school. Science doesn’t lie, but Libs do…

Jezcoe · September 23, 2023, 11:52pm

We understand that sex organs can be ambiguous. We understand that chromosomes do not always result in the binary determining of sex that we assume it would.

Why is it so hard to accept that the same can be true for someone’s brain?

WuWei · September 23, 2023, 11:52pm

Swyer syndrome cannot be left untreated. The fibrous tissue is not reproductive tissue.

Jezcoe · September 23, 2023, 11:54pm

Optrader:

Jezcoe:

Optrader:

Jezcoe:

Eagle-Keeper:

Jezcoe:

DougBH:

Eagle-Keeper:

If gender cannot be defined or is arbitrary and not based in logic or science then what is the rationale behind accepting the whole notion of trans?

It kills me when they talk about “gender assigned at birth”. It’s like there is this committee deciding: ok, let’s make that one male, that one male, and let’s make that one female.
We all know how this “assigning” is done. It’s the physical sex of the child and it was “assigned” before they got to the hospital. So what is with this game of saying “gender assigned at birth”? There has to be a point. Are they trying to trick us into believing that the selection is made by the hospital organization and not by nature?

1-1.7% of people are born with some sort of intersex trait or ambiguous genitalia.

In those cases gender is often assigned at birth.

First thing, you mean sex, not gender, correct? I’m assuming that you view the notion as now arbitrary.

Here’s a couple of questions as the scientific reality of intersex poses certain things to consider. First, do you know what percentage of people born with intersex traits later philosophically reject the sex they are assigned at birth? Second, what scientific criteria is being used to assign someone who is intersex a particular sex?

Sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t reject it.

If one can be born with genitalia that is sexually ambiguous and thus have their gender chosen for them… then why is it so hard to accept that some people can be born with sexually ambiguous brains that does not match up with their genitalia.

Biology is messy and nature does not care for our imposed binary view of things.

Who imposes XX or XY chromosomes?

XX and XY are not complete determiners of what sex someone will be born.

For example there is such a thing as an XY female.

Nature doesn’t care about our need to neatly categorize everything

Such cases happen due to mutations. Are you claiming that trans are mutants, or to be less abrasive, abnormal? You really can’t have it both ways. Either they are abnormal, in which case, stop trying to normalize them, or they are normal, in which case your example is meaningless. The number of XY females does not account for the percentage of kids who are recently discovering they are trans after being "assigned’ a sex at birth. The rise in the percentage of newly discovered trans kids is much more likely correlated to the rise in totalitarian Lib control of our public education system. That’s why your leaders have labeled conservative parents as domestic terrorists and resisting the idea that parents should be the ones who decide, or at least ought to have a say, in what their kids are being taught in school. Science doesn’t lie, but Libs do…

I brought up XY females as an example only and not as the explanation.

They aren’t mutants. They are part of the distribution pattern of human sexuality and gender which is a bimodal curve where the majority fall in the normative peaks but there are still millions of people born every year that fall outside of those normative parameters.

SpadeMarlowe · September 23, 2023, 11:55pm

…“greatest struggles”…???
Struggle for WHAT?
To be accepted as something they are NOT?
To be allowed to pretend they are realy compeeting when they are actualy cheating and winning something under false pretenses?
Basic character trait is accepting who you are.
I let myself dream at times about something that’s not real but I don’t demand others go along and clap and praise me for the “success”.
[…roll eyes…].