When did you stop thinking?
Jezcoe: WuWei: Jezcoe:We aren’t paying attention but those who are aren’t saying the answer.
Cool.
I’m asking the question. You’re the democrat, who has the power in your party? Who is setting the agenda?
It’s a coalition party, so the agenda is set by a fight between the left and right wings of the party which places the agenda into a center left position.
If it wasn’t for Trump, we would have probably seen more of a fracturing between the Progressives and the corporate centrists and of Biden gets elected we will probably see that continue.
But not this time around, this is primarily about getting rid of Trump and sending the Trumpists faction of the GOP into the wilderness
Fair assessment classically, but I believe you have missed the shift and the reason for it. Do you agree that the party has moved left? That the “left wing” is more powerful now than 6 months ago?
Do you believe the “corporate centrists” want to defund the police?
Did the concept of sanctuary cities work for illegal immigration? Why wouldn’t it work for others who need sanctuary?
I believe people like Angela Davis and Keith Ellison are mentoring, guiding this direction. That there is an alliance between these socialist Islamists and the communists anarchists whatever you want to call them that are doing the rioting.
I believe the size and intensity of the rioting shook those like Pelosi and Schumer to their core. They have lost control of the party.
I don’t think AOC is the leader. She makes too many mistakes. She is still learning. She is the junior in that bunch.
Pramila Jayapal - Seattle
Rashida Talib - Detroit
Ilhan Omar - Minneapolis
AOC - Bronx/QueensIn that order. Maybe flip Talib and Omar
Ellison - Minneapolis
Angela Davis - heroine to them allThere are no doubt others, I don’t know who they are.
The dudes from crooked media have more influence on Democratic policy than the “Socialist Islamists” and “Communist Anarchists”
Which for a second let’s ponder anarchists being part of a major political party.
This is making the mistake that Chapo’s trap house is the primary force behind the Democrats instead of reforming the Centrist Obama coalition with anti Trump Republicans to get a dangerously inept person out of the White House.
The dudes from crooked media have more influence on Democratic policy than the “Socialist Islamists” and “Communist Anarchists”
Which for a second let’s ponder anarchists being part of a major political party.
This is making the mistake that Chapo’s trap house is the primary force behind the Democrats instead of reforming the Centrist Obama coalition with anti Trump Republicans to get a dangerously inept person out of the White House.
Who is giving the crooked media what they need to report?
Anarchists are a tool to be used.
They are not focused on Trump, you are. If Trump gets reelected, they have more ammunition. 4 years is nothing to them. And it gets Biden out of the way.
The power doesn’t come from the President, it comes from being able to force the President to sign.
What/who forced the “deportation President” to sign DACA?
What/who forced Diblazio to sign off on disbanding the anti-crime unit?
What/who forced the defunding of the Minneapolis PD? Seattle?
What/who forced the “autonomous zones”?
You really think any mayor wants to lose their police force? To have a city within a city they have no control over?
They are forming alliances. Setting up enclaves. Using violence and civil unrest. Following the steps.
They might as well be using the SF insurgency manual.
It’s beautiful. And if they don’t push too hard too fast, it will work.
WuWei:Simple question. Who has the power in the Democratic Party? Who is setting the agenda? Determining the direction?
Who does Biden have to have to get elected? Who’s key?
The key isn’t a person, it’s control of the senate. The dems will use the same trick the r.s used.
Budget reconciliation.
Allan
Step outside your own context.
One of the things I’ve always admired about the Democratic Party is their ability to accept small victories.
Another is the ability to let go of a loss.
The incrementalist approach to long term objectives is a tremendous asset in politics. In 155 years, this approach has led to a complete transformation of big society in this country. It has also resulted in a complete transformation of the form of government.
The left side is adept at taking advantage of and even creating the environments needed to create change to further the vision. The right side is not, it is strictly reactive.
Any time there is a major event, it seems the left moves forward some. Sometimes it is a centimeter, sometimes it is a kilometer, but always forward.
Jezcoe:The dudes from crooked media have more influence on Democratic policy than the “Socialist Islamists” and “Communist Anarchists”
Which for a second let’s ponder anarchists being part of a major political party.
This is making the mistake that Chapo’s trap house is the primary force behind the Democrats instead of reforming the Centrist Obama coalition with anti Trump Republicans to get a dangerously inept person out of the White House.
Who is giving the crooked media what they need to report?
Anarchists are a tool to be used.
They are not focused on Trump, you are. If Trump gets reelected, they have more ammunition. 4 years is nothing to them. And it gets Biden out of the way.
The power doesn’t come from the President, it comes from being able to force the President to sign.
What/who forced the “deportation President” to sign DACA?
What/who forced Diblazio to sign off on disbanding the anti-crime unit?
What/who forced the defunding of the Minneapolis PD? Seattle?
What/who forced the “autonomous zones”?
You really think any mayor wants to lose their police force? To have a city within a city they have no control over?
They are forming alliances. Setting up enclaves. Using violence and civil unrest. Following the steps.
They might as well be using the SF insurgency manual.
It’s beautiful. And if they don’t push too hard too fast, it will work.
Anarchists aren’t the ones in control… because they are anarchists.
They have just as much power in the Democratic Party as did Occupy Wall Street. They are unserious protestors who have no influence outside of the few blocks of cities that they have sit ins on for short periods of time.
As far as the Anti Crime unit… that was the same unit that was reformed after the Diallo shooting and performed a ton of the stop and frisk program. No one made DiBlasio do anything… he was going for an what seemed to be an easy immediate political victory because literally no one likes him. His big mistake was having no plan to reform that unit before disbanding it.
This isn’t an insurgency.
If it was they wouldn’t have Joe Biden at the head of anything.
Anarchists aren’t the ones in control… because they are anarchists.
Nor did I say they are.
Occupy Wall Street
Great reference.
This isn’t an insurgency.
If it was they wouldn’t have Joe Biden at the head of anything.
Yes, it is. By definition.
Joe Biden is not the head. At best he’s the figurehead.
Jezcoe:Anarchists aren’t the ones in control… because they are anarchists.
Nor did I say they are.
Jezcoe:Occupy Wall Street
Great reference.
Jezcoe:This isn’t an insurgency.
If it was they wouldn’t have Joe Biden at the head of anything.
Yes, it is. By definition.
Joe Biden is not the head. At best he’s the figurehead.
Joe Biden is where he is because African Americans in Georgia voted for him. He was able to blow out the competition soon after winning there.
He is there because the voters put him there.
He is politician, so his platform will reflect the will of those who are voting for him.
He is a coalition candidate, so his positions will reflect that coalition.
There is no need to invoke a puppet master when the obvious issue is Donald J Trump.
WuWei: Jezcoe:Anarchists aren’t the ones in control… because they are anarchists.
Nor did I say they are.
Jezcoe:Occupy Wall Street
Great reference.
Jezcoe:This isn’t an insurgency.
If it was they wouldn’t have Joe Biden at the head of anything.
Yes, it is. By definition.
Joe Biden is not the head. At best he’s the figurehead.
Joe Biden is where he is because African Americans in Georgia voted for him. He was able to blow out the competition soon after winning there.
He is there because the voters put him there.
He is politician, so his platform will reflect the will of those who are voting for him.
He is a coalition candidate, so his positions will reflect that coalition.
There is no need to invoke a puppet master when the obvious issue is Donald J Trump.
I didn’t say anything about a puppet master.
I find it amazing that someone as intelligent and experienced as you are truly believes that your party is floating along with the current. Also that you believe Biden is in charge of anything.
Such small, small thinking.
Coincidence, all of it.
Jezcoe: WuWei: Jezcoe:Anarchists aren’t the ones in control… because they are anarchists.
Nor did I say they are.
Jezcoe:Occupy Wall Street
Great reference.
Jezcoe:This isn’t an insurgency.
If it was they wouldn’t have Joe Biden at the head of anything.
Yes, it is. By definition.
Joe Biden is not the head. At best he’s the figurehead.
Joe Biden is where he is because African Americans in Georgia voted for him. He was able to blow out the competition soon after winning there.
He is there because the voters put him there.
He is politician, so his platform will reflect the will of those who are voting for him.
He is a coalition candidate, so his positions will reflect that coalition.
There is no need to invoke a puppet master when the obvious issue is Donald J Trump.
I didn’t say anything about a puppet master.
I find it amazing that someone as intelligent and experienced as you are truly believes that your party is floating along with the current. Also that you believe Biden is in charge of anything.
Such small, small thinking.
Coincidence, all of it.
Biden is the guy that everyone is rallying around to get rid of Trump.
No one is “excited” about Biden past that.
Biden 2020 - America needs a nap.
Biden is the guy that everyone is rallying around to get rid of Trump.
No one is “excited” about Biden past that.
Biden 2020 - America needs a nap.
Who is excited about what?
Lol AOC is the puppet master!
Everything is always a conspiracy theory with these folks.
When did you stop thinking?
I dunno, when did you stop being cryptic and eventually having a point to being cryptic with no point at all besides contrarianism and no revelation of what you actually think?
It’s super hard to have a conversation about anything when one end of it is written like a fortune cookie.
I understand.
conan:The alignment that I vision to be honest is liberals and Constitutional Conservatives finding a common ground against authoritarian state. That is what my vision is. Anything or anyone that can advance those goals I’m for. Remember…I wanted Trump to set the stage for that to happen.
Will it happen? I do believe we are moving into that direction.
I don’t believe that’s what you really want. Constitutional Conservatives are aligning with Democrats to rid the nation of the man you offer full throated support towards. A man who is arguably one of the single most authoritarians to ever hold the Presidency.
Look at the Lincoln Project, Republicans Voters Against Trump, Republicans for the Rule Of Law, VoteVets, etc. These groups are filled with Constitutional Conservatives who are opposing Trump and siding with the left to remove him from office because they oppose his authoritarianism. If what you said was true, you’d be standing with them and with us against Trump. Yet you aren’t. You remain one of the biggest cheerleaders he has. So your claims ring exceptionally hollow.
I was going to say the same thing. If that’s in fact what he wanted we wouldn’t have his weekly hair on fire threads about the “libs”
Jezcoe:We aren’t paying attention but those who are aren’t saying the answer.
Cool.
I’m asking the question. You’re the democrat, who has the power in your party? Who is setting the agenda?
Then why do you keep telling us we are wrong when your question is answered?
I didn’t say anything about a puppet master.
I find it amazing that someone as intelligent and experienced as you are truly believes that your party is floating along with the current. Also that you believe Biden is in charge of anything.
Such small, small thinking.
Coincidence, all of it
So let’s say. The dems complete the holy trinity and take control of the United States.
What part of the so called radical agenda gets passed and signed off by President Biden?
My main objective for this election is to remove cancer.
Allan
WuWei: Jezcoe:We aren’t paying attention but those who are aren’t saying the answer.
Cool.
I’m asking the question. You’re the democrat, who has the power in your party? Who is setting the agenda?
Then why do you keep telling us we are wrong when your question is answered?
You aren’t answering the question that was asked.
My main objective for this election is to remove cancer.
I didn’t ask you what your objective is.
I didn’t ask you what your objective is.
Who is moving the agenda of removing trump from the presidency?
Any citizen with half a Brain?
Allan