What would our government do differently/better/cheaper if it controlled the entire health care market?

I know real world facts are a bitch.

I don’t need to worry about anything but the ant hills.

Drive? :rofl: My troops are all paratroopers.

Your attempts at anecdotes are not facts.

You’re complaining about a completely separate issue from the messy roll-out of the federal exchange.

Please, continue to have that discussion with yourself. It’s not what I was referring to.

Dental implants are real surgery with bone grafting etc… Affordable without insurance because it’s not covered by insurance.

The price of anything will rise to what you are willing to pay for it. Since the govt prints money, it can pay anything and there for can’t stop from starting a spiral of inflation. That’s why big govt medicine is self defeating.

Yes, some other developed nations have very similar health and habit statistics.

What does that have to do with a healthcare system? They pay less per capita than we do, so people ā€œbeing on the doleā€ seems irrelevant since their system is overall cheaper. They pay less regardless.

Again, what does this have to do with the healthcare system and the cost on a per capita basis?

I’m not complaining, I’m simply stating what happened. The Feds mandated the State come up with a website as part of the Federal exchange rollout but it’s a separate issue? Sounds like once again you don’t know what you’re talking about. Color me shocked.

People were able to sign up using the federal exchange rather than Oregon’s exchange. Yes, the messy, but eventual, roll-out of the federal exchange is a completely separate issue from Oregon politicians failing to set up their exchange. Other states were able to do it, and the federal government was able to do it. There was a messy roll-out of the federal exchange-which is what I was referring to, not Oregon’s total failure to do so and having to refer people to the federal exchange.

The media was filled with stories this week of the failed Oregon health insurance exchange. Oregon choose to set up its own state exchange for people to buy insurance under the Affordable Care Act, received federal grants to do so, and then never got the website to work. Oregonians who wanted to sign up for Obamacare were forced to do so on paper (how twentieth century). Oregon will use the federal exchange for the next open enrollment period, but its failure this time gives us an opportunity to look at how much money was spent to sign people up for Obamacare. The answer is staggering.

People were still able to sign up.

Sounds like you’re flailing all over for some gotcha, and deflecting from the point I was making. But hey, you like to argue just to argue, so no surprise there!

We are the worlds leader in medical innovations.

from https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/4233/u.s.-slipping-as-global-leader-in-medical-research.aspx

ā€œU.S. medical research remains the primary global source of new discoveries, drugs, medical devices, and clinical procedures,ā€ said University of Rochester neurologist Ray Dorsey, M.D., M.B.A., a co-author of the study.

You should read that article as it talks about the decline of the US.

And this is in large part due to lack of funding. They talk about government cutting funding (gee I wonder who always wants across the board cuts) and private funding more worried about shareholder returns.

That was the reason my neuro oncologist left the US and came to Canada.

Sure, declining but still what? The worlds leader.

Rather than continue to whine, why has the GOP controlled congress and white house not just repealed the ACA?

Yes thanks to the HHS.

Funny in a thread where people complain about government incompetence and brag about the US being leaders in innovation it is HHS research and funding that puts the US on top for now.

Yup.

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58% of our research funding is private. Nor do I want to see cuts to our medical research grants.

Except for the fact that business tends toward monopolies and no business likes competition since it eats into their profits.

Since the sole objective of business is make money why would you expect them to make things cheaper?

Competition

Your posts indicate otherwise.

Competition doesn’t really exist.