What Is Liberalism and Why Does It Matter?

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

You’re trying to switch back and forth.

I’m not. You keep saying “collective” as if that means something when I comes to the example of government oppression I used.

Collectives didn’t go a jail for crimes against the white social structure. Individuals stood trial and went to jail.

Sure you are. You want “stuff” addressed because of what happened years ago to the collective. Then you turn around and claim individuals were oppressed.

Do you get participation by virtue of being black (collective) or do we address a platinum plan to only oppressed individuals?

Now that all men are created equal, what are you going to do for the next chapter? The promise is complete.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@PurpnGold

@Eagle-Keeper

Ironically I would say that outside of social issues today’s Republican is much more in line with classical Liberalism than today’s Democrat.

So do you agree that social issues are what keep conservatives from being liberal?

See my response to Sneaky in Post 18. Classic Liberalism isn’t about the social issues.

[PurpnGold]

@Eagle-Keeper

See my response to Sneaky in Post 18. Classic Liberalism isn’t about the social issues.

Protection of individuals…from other individuals… isn’t that social?

[Eagle-Keeper]

@PurpnGold

@Eagle-Keeper

See my response to Sneaky in Post 18. Classic Liberalism isn’t about the social issues.

Protection of individuals…from other individuals… isn’t that social?

I’m talking about the social issues of today, i.e. abortion, LGBTQ, etc. There’s nothing specifically about that in Classic Liberalism (from my link anyhow).

[WuWei]

The Surgeon General of the United States just said “equity” when discussing the vaccine.

[WuWei]

Is liberalism the philosophical source for the founding of this country?

[Impenitent]

no, it was more manifest destiny than liberalism…

[biggestal99]

@Eagle-Keeper

This is why I don’t view the Modern Liberal as a genuine liberal.

I am a liberal and not a socialist. I am a huge believer in regulated capitalism and all of its trappings.

I know what I am and nobody can tell me who I am. Not a socialist, a liberal.

It’s why I could never pull the trigger and vote for Sanders for POTUS.

Allan

[WuWei]

What Is Liberalism and Why Does It Matter?

Describes my views to the T. I guess I am an actual liberal “but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty.” What is the logical extension of this phrase? 1.1 The Presumption in Favor of Liberty “By definition,” Maurice Cranston says, “a liberal is a man who believes in liberty” (1967: 459). In two ways, liberals accord liberty primacy as a political value. (i) Liberals have typically maintained that humans are naturally in “a State of perfect Freedom to or…

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

@Eagle-Keeper

This is why I don’t view the Modern Liberal as a genuine liberal.

I am a liberal and not a socialist. I am a huge believer in regulated capitalism and all of its trappings.

I know what I am and nobody can tell me who I am. Not a socialist, a liberal.

It’s why I could never pull the trigger and vote for Sanders for POTUS.

Allan

You are a Big Government Union Dem.

[Impenitent]

I don’t understand your point… are you are defining liberal as one who entertains maximum freedom for oneself at the expense of others as the philosophy for the founding of the nation? it certainly was not maximum freedom for all humans, white male Christians perhaps, but not all people by any means…

[WuWei]

@Impenitent

I don’t understand your point… are you are defining liberal as one who entertains maximum freedom for oneself at the expense of others as the philosophy for the founding of the nation? it certainly was not maximum freedom for all humans, white male Christians perhaps, but not all people by any means…

Manifest destiny came after the founding of the country.

I will agree the start was uneven. Has the promise of the vision now been fulfilled?

[Impenitent]

the term “manifest destiny” may have been coined after the founding, but manifest destiny was more in the philosophy of the founders than maximum freedom for all ever was…

the vision of maximum freedom for all? no, it cannot be fulfilled…

[WuWei]

@Impenitent

the term “manifest destiny” may have been coined after the founding, but manifest destiny was more in the philosophy of the founders than maximum freedom for all ever was…

the vision of maximum freedom for all? no, it cannot be fulfilled…

Why are you saying “maximum”?

What are you basing these claims on?

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

You are a Big Government Union Dem.

I am also A paying member of the ACLU. I support 100% the BLM movement.

You can’t pigeonhole me. Lol.

Allan

[Impenitent]

perfection is usually a divine adjective… perfect freedom is unattainable within the mortal coil…

I suppose I have a different view of human nature

[WuWei]

Big Government Union Dem.

You have no idea what BLM even is.

[WuWei]

@Impenitent

perfection is usually a divine adjective… perfect freedom is unattainable within the mortal coil…

I suppose I have a different view of human nature

Whut?

On second thought, I like “maximum”.

the vision of maximum freedom for all? no, it cannot be fulfilled…

What are you basing this on? The vision of “all men are created equal…” has been fulfilled. Change my mind.

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

Big Government Union Dem.

You have no idea what BLM even is

Telling me, I don’t know something is counter productive to our discussing the topic at hand.

Of course I know what BLM movement is. You don’t like it. I understand that.

Allan

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

@WuWei

Big Government Union Dem.

You have no idea what BLM even is

Telling me, I don’t know something is counter productive to our discussing the topic at hand.

Of course I know what BLM movement is. You don’t like it. I understand that.

Allan

I love BLM. You don’t know what it is.