Of course they didn’t know. They based lot of what they knew off of what happen 100 years earlier without accurate data and under completely different political environment. Keep in mind they had 100 years of indoctrination as well. Which you later mention about goverment saving us.
6 ft rule is stupid IMO. I would be more worried about touching something that is contaminated.
On a side note when I went to into grocery store other day a one of woman workers was saying 6 ft apart…but shes standing right next to baskets. I said don’t be standing next to baskets then.
As for washing my hands. I use diluted scented “Lavender” bleach LOL.
Also those face covering stuff…it’s total BS IMO. They don’t want YOU spreading the virus but it seems they don’t care if YOU get it.
My theory is I don’t have to worry about spreading it if I don’t get it.
Which goes back to testing. What the hell is that? You need 3 symptoms in order to get the test. Well how do they know if they’re not asymptomatic.
That’s another thing…we had this crash program to build em but they’re nothing more then death traps. That damn governor of NY bitching and whining that he needs all the ventilators…and he didn’t even use the one he had.
Again you can’t make billions and billion of dollars off of old drugs. Keep in mid we are nothing more then commodity to them.
LOL I don’ think I have to say anything here.
I never recovered from housing crisis. My peak earning years in this business was during that exact time period. This is devastating to those that are trying to rebuild in later part of their years.
I believe that we should open everything. Those most vulnerable should stay away from the rest of us till it burns out. It’s too contagious to contain, so will spread no matter when we open. Better to open & not die of poverty as well as the virus.
Oh, all those vulnerable we are concerned about, they will be the first to die of poverty. If the government is broke & we are all broke, the government can’t help ANYONE, & none of us either, we will all be too busy trying to feed our families/selves.
I think some are so deluded to think the government can keep paying for everything when the economy is destroyed. I guess it’s magic!
I don’t want anyone to get sick or die, THEREFORE we NEED to re-open. Many more will die if we do not.
Probably the biggest error of all here and NY was the worst.
It is insane that they not only forced nursing homes to accept CCPV positive patients they kept CCPV positive “care workers” in the nursing homes.
Texas did a very good job overall with our nursing homes keeping the most vulnerable protected by quickly locking them up, limiting access, testing workers and being very careful in screening anyone entering the facilities.
The young and healthy have less to fear from this disease than they do the flu, they are not an issue.
We know who is most vulnerable and likely to become seriously, critically or fatally ill, protect them and get the rest back to work.
My FIL is at a western PA private care facility. It is small and well managed for Alzheimer’s. They locked down early and have had zero cases. Just shows what can be done.
Antibodies testing so far looked very promising. NY was coming up on 25% infected two weeks ago. They’re almost halfway to herd immunity and making plans for reopening.
If we take the 25% infected in NY, with 20k deaths, we get about 0.4% mortality. I believe it’s lower than that, two week old data, plus every death is currently being blamed on Coronavirus. At that time, it was around 0.1%.
So, with a 0.1% mortality rate, let’s bring the UK into the picture. They didn’t decide to lock it down until after flirting with the idea of herd immunity. They were real late to the pillow fight. And the deaths there, approaching 30K, are all over the news. “Most Deaths in Europe!!”
They may have done right. If mortality is 0.1%, and 60% of population infected gets you to herd immunity, then they need to get just under 40K deaths to break the finish line. Subtract from that any mitigation through HCQ, Azythromyacin, or Remdesivir, and they may already be there.
What cracks me up is entering a convenience market ahd seeing a narrow sliver of plastic as a “barricade” between the clerk and customer. It’s like putting a two foot wide barrier near a 6 foot wide entrance.
An invisible virus can’t move around such a narrow barrier? Or those red tapes in the supermarket & signs that say “Stop here until you’re called”. The virus will be stopped by that red tape & one customer at a time? How?
The country wasn’t founded on nonsense like “social distancing” or “sheltering in place” or feel good crap like “We’re all in this together.” It’s time fir testing and treating individuals as individuals and getting the healthy back to work before the cure is worse than the disease.
This same jerk who says things like “If one life is saved, it’ll be worth it” forced nursing homes to readmit symptom free COVID 19 patients , sending body bags at the same time. He’s the same creep who told out of work New Yorkers to go out and get one of those essential jobs right now, pretty much the equivalent of “Let them eat cake.”
He’s the same creep who thinks anti abortion advocates shouldn’t be in New York, and he’s interested in saving lives? I don’t think so.
Just my rambling thoughts for the day with no links.
Why. are you saying the mitigations did not work as well as “hoped.” New York State has turned the corner in terms of deaths/hospitalizaitons/new cases based on its mitigation strategy.
I am not going to argue that every action and statement by either Andrew Cuomo or Bill DiBlasio was correct. That’s not the point.
Why are the overall New York results not a demonstration that mitigation, though painful, is effective?
So the massive outbreaks of the corona virus among New York City transit workers and in numerous meat packing plants are indications that people who work in meat packing plants and transit systems are weak?
I undertstand reopen with mitigation. What mitigation are you calling for in the workplace?
Those plastic barriers and tape distances are there to limit transmission versus coughs and sneezes. Sure, they aren’t 100% effective but they are far better than nothing. That convenience store clerk is meeting hundreds of people per day. Some cough, some sneeze. Wouldn’t you feel better with that plexiglass between you two or would you be fine with nothing?
Again, it isn’t 100% effective but likely is over 90% effective.
It shows that viral load and perhaps blood environ are elevated factors.
We know that the people with underlying medical conditions are the ones that isolating is needed for.
Isolating the healthy is counter productive.
NYC said they would clean the subways in early March and actually cleaned them yesterday and even with this we only has 2% of fatal cases for healthy individuals.
So you are saying the only mitigation needed is that those who are “medically compromised” should continue to self isolate.
The momentum for reopening is more political than palpable, of course.
Trump believes that if the focus remains on the virus he is going to lose in November so: stop the daily briefings. disband the task force, shift to restarting the economy.
We’ll all be better off if he is right… but right now almost all Democrats, almost all Independents and about half of Republicans think he is moving too fast. The data on that are clear.
