What are the biggest advantages/disadvantages…

[Axxowiz]

They are less stressed overall which foes with what your saying.

[Meriweather]

@Axxowiz

They are less stressed overall which foes with what your saying.

Who are less stressed?

[Jezcoe]

@Meriweather

@Jezcoe

Yeah. When I sat down to really examine the faith I was raised in, I could just not wrap my head around original sin.

What is so difficult to understand about man being born with a propensity for disobedience?

Its not just that… it is that we are born into a sin that we did not commit.

Pretty raw deal.

[Meriweather]

@Jezcoe

Its not just that… it is that we are born into a sin that we did not commit.

We are not born with human nature?

[mobulis]

@Meriweather

@Jezcoe

Its not just that… it is that we are born into a sin that we did not commit.

We are not born with human nature?

That’s not a sin.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

Were adam and eve humans before they sinned?

[Safiel]

@Meriweather

@Safiel

Let’s take suicide for example, as I have used this example before. If your religious, you are bound by your religion’s viewpoint, regardless of the circumstance.

As a non-theist, it is a subject I can approach with an open mind and consider the circumstances of each individual case.

I personally consider suicide appropriate in cases of Alzheimer’s Disease, Parkinson’s Disease, terminal stage cancer and the terminal stage of other diseases and disorders where quality of life is gone. I personally don’t consider suicide appropriate in some other circumstances, though I do hold the view that the decision is solely that of the individual.

If I was religious, I could not approach the issue in that manner, but would be bound by religious teachings that might contradict the views that I have otherwise developed.

Open mind? Might not it be, instead, a closed mind, when it comes to considering a human life consists of body, mind, and spirit? Of the diseases that you mention, I have the most experience with Alzheimer’s–it runs in the family, has for generations. My mother absolutely dreaded it overtaking her–and it did, just as it had her father, her grandmother, etc. What Alzheimer’s does to body and mind is devastating. Yet, within my grandfather, and my mother, I witnessed a growth and expansion of the spirit that had not–and would not have–come to either of them had they remained Alzheimer free.

Assisted suicide is not a sign of an open mind, but rather one that is closed to considering that spirit/soul might be an equally vital part of human existence.

I would note first that I am talking of suicide, not assisted suicide.

I have seen extended family and friends dealing with Alzheimer’s and other diseases. I have seen the horrendous effect on the family.

If Alzheimer’s be my fate, my wife/family will NOT deal with this. They will have only my quick death to deal with, not the pure hell of being caretakers and watching me die bit by bit. A viewpoint that we have long since discussed and all concur in, btw.

If there is a separate spirit/soul, there may be an appropriate time to set it free of a failing body.

[Jezcoe]

@Meriweather

@Jezcoe

Its not just that… it is that we are born into a sin that we did not commit.

We are not born with human nature?

No. That God created man to be born into sin.

A sin that all but two did not commit.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

It would have been nice if he just didnt plant that darn tree

[Meriweather]

@mobulis

That’s not a sin.

Then to what sin are you referring?

[mobulis]

@Meriweather

@mobulis

That’s not a sin.

Then to what sin are you referring?

Original sin does not exist.

[Meriweather]

@mobulis

Original sin does not exist.

Okay.

[Paul_Thomson]

@Meriweather

…of being an atheist? …of being a person of faith?

I’m assuming you mean "…of being an atheist? of being a person of faith in a Creator?

Athiesm has no logically coherent answers to:

" What is the meaning of life? What am I living for? and why am I living for that? How can I be satisfied in a world that is constantly taking away the things I appreciate? What is true freedom? and can I be truly free? Who and what is my identity? Do I have any value? What kind of self do I need to be to live in harmony with others? Is there hope for me? What is morally good and bad? Do humans have rights? Or do they only have privileges bestowed upon them by their human overlords?

The existence of human needs for meaning, contentment, freedom, identity, value, hope, a clean conscience, and justice and how these may be achieved are explained coherently in the Christian faith. Atheism has no coherent explanation for these needs and their fulfilment.

[Borgia_dude]

@Paul_Thomson

Athiesm has no logically coherent answers to:

" What is the meaning of life? What am I living for ? and why am I living for that? How can I be satisfied in a world that is constantly taking away the things I appreciate? What is true freedom? and can I be truly free? Who and what is my identity? Do I have any value? What kind of self do I need to be to live in harmony with others? Is there hope for me? What is morally good and bad? Do humans have rights? Or do they only have privileges bestowed upon them by their human overlords?

Why should atheism have to give answers to any of this? Atheism is not a philosophy of life, it merely is a lack of belief in god(s). Nothing more.

[Paul_Thomson]

@Borgia_dude

Why should atheism have to give answers to any of this? Atheism is not a philosophy of life, it merely is a lack of belief in god(s). Nothing more.

Because even atheists ask these questions and hunger and thirst for these in their lives.

[Borgia_dude]

@Paul_Thomson

@Borgia_dude

Why should atheism have to give answers to any of this? Atheism is not a philosophy of life, it merely is a lack of belief in god(s). Nothing more.

Because even atheists ask these questions and hunger and thirst for these in their lives.

That some atheists ask these questions does not mean that atheism should have the answers. It’s like expecting disbelievers in Santa to answer your questions.

[Paul_Thomson]

@Borgia_dude

That some atheists ask these questions does not mean that atheism should have the answers. It’s like expecting disbelievers in Santa to answer your questions.

I do expect disbelievers in Santa to answer the same questions. Any worldview needs to answer these sorts of fundamental questions that issue from the human condition. The worldview which does the best job of that is the most worthy of adherents.

[mobulis]

@Paul_Thomson

@Borgia_dude

That some atheists ask these questions does not mean that atheism should have the answers. It’s like expecting disbelievers in Santa to answer your questions.

I do expect disbelievers in Santa to answer the same questions. Any worldview needs to answer these sorts of fundamental questions that issue from the human condition. The worldview which does the best job of that is the most worthy of adherents.

Atheism is not a worldview.

[LetFreedomRing]

Most people that are Atheist are empty in life. They’re trying to fill that empty void with things. Weather it’s drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, or any other addiction, because they’re searching for answers, but get none, because those things are only temporary answers without a permanent Solution.

People of faith are fulfilled, because they have Jesus Christ as their Personal Savior. It fills that empty void in life, and they become the person they want to be, and they find answers in life.

That’s why the Democrat Media, and Democrat Politicians go after people that don’t believe in God. Because they’re easy prey! and vulnerable.

[Borgia_dude]

@Paul_Thomson

@Borgia_dude

That some atheists ask these questions does not mean that atheism should have the answers. It’s like expecting disbelievers in Santa to answer your questions.

I do expect disbelievers in Santa to answer the same questions.

Why?

Any worldview needs to answer these sorts of fundamental questions that issue from the human condition.

Why?

The worldview which does the best job of that is the most worthy of adherents.

Sounds like a popularity contest and not truth.