Welcome to NATO Sweden!

[WuWei]

It took me less than a minute.

[WuWei]

@Imel

Hey do your little sums. I don’t care about the money and understand why some Americans are not ok with paying for a far away war.
It’s the fact that those people are also saying Europe or Nato are to blame and excusing Putin.
I can’t get my head around that part.

Has EU/NATO expanded, contracted or stayed the same over the last 10 years?

Which has been the goal?

[WuWei]

Nope.

[FreeAndClear]

@Imel

Thanks so much for your insights and just to touch on something alluded to earlier, Europe isn’t snobbish about Russia or looks down on them.
Rich Russians are popular everywhere even owning football clubs lol.
Its the ideology is incompatible and I was fascinated when you said Russian people have only revolted 3 times against their government and it only got worse.
Read a Sunday Times article about it once, and the journalist asked a local why they accepted the living conditions etc, he said because the people have never known anything different.

That’s true but Russia is the red headed step child of Europe. They look at them like they do at most of Eastern Europe.

[Imel]

The countries who joined and as you pointed out before are already European, did so of their own free will.
With Russia and China bordering and obviously a threat, what is so bad about a peaceful alliance of European countries.
Yes they expanded but didn’t force anyone to do so, much less invade and go to war threatening nuclear action.
Whether Ukraine want to join the EU or not, should be up to the people to decide.

[Imel]

I don’t get it myself, they fought against the Germans in WW2. It should have been unifying and even recently Putin was part of the G8 or whatever. Russia was being recognised on the world stage.
What do you think his ultimate goal or motivation is?

[Imel]

Er the goal has been democracy rather than dictatorship. That ok with you?

[Imel]

You are inadvertently admitting that democracy spreading through Europe is a threat to a dictator regime.
That’s the point, it’s a war over democracy and traditionally dictators are threatened by that.
Why do you not support this?

[WuWei]

@Imel

Yes they expanded

Thank you.

[WuWei]

@Imel

Er the goal has been democracy rather than dictatorship. That ok with you?

Sure.

[Imel]

Aside from Europe or Russia or the US, why do you think the Ukrainians are fighting to the death?

[Imel]

The ones who are refugees in Europe have been public about the fact they will all leave rather than exist under Putin.

[WuWei]

@Imel

Aside from Europe or Russia or the US, why do you think the Ukrainians are fighting to the death?

They aren’t.

[WuWei]

They already did.

[conan]

@Imel

You’re the one saying these are European countries so we are aggressively expanding into ourselves, or something??

Did I say European countries or did I say EU?

And do you know the difference? Or are you being outright obtuse?

[Adam]

@WuWei

It took me less than a minute.

Way to debate the way you always do. Claim something, don’t back it up, and then tell other people they’re wrong. I presented actual numbers. Children walk away like that.

[WuWei]

You presented partial numbers.

[Adam]

@WuWei

You presented partial numbers.

Then debate with numbers. Don’t be a child.

[WuWei]

Debate what? Your half numbers?

[WuWei]

@Adam

Don’t be a child.

Nobody taught you to respect your elders.