We Have to do SOMETHING about Gun Violence! (Even if it's Wrong)

[W_and_C]

@Guvnah

@westaussie

It seems to me that one of the ways used to deflect from a change is the suggestion that if it doesn’t fit the current incident then it should not be considered.

Ban all guns, and the sociopath will make a pressure-cooker bomb like the Boston Marathon bombers. Or a truck bomb like Oklahoma City. Or just plow a car or truck into crowds like so many examples around the world (where, often, guns are already outlawed.)

The proposals people are pushing address very specific things that have nothing to do with the root of the matter. Even “red flag” laws and mental health concerns don’t address the core problem.

Well, obviously those things are already happening today AND people are performing acts of terror with guns.

[Guvnah]

@W_and_C

… heroin has never shot itself up into someone’s veins and made them overdose.

What gun has ever shot itself off?

(Now tell me about the episode of “Little House on the Prairie” when Laura knocked over a loaded gun and it shot her father…)

[SixFoot]

@W_and_C

Weird, we ban drugs like heroin and AFAIK, heroin has never shot itself up into someone’s veins and made them overdose.

Agreed.

[W_and_C]

@Guvnah

@W_and_C

… heroin has never shot itself up into someone’s veins and made them overdose.

What gun has ever shot itself off?

(Now tell me about the episode of “Little House on the Prairie” when Laura knocked over a loaded gun and it shot her father…)

That is the point that I am trying to make. Inaminate objects are obviously incapable of causing harm without human intervention. So why do we ban/restrict some of them and not the others ?

[Guvnah]

@W_and_C

Well, obviously those things are already happening today

And that’s my point.

The sociopath will do what he intends to do, and if you ban one method, he’ll employ another.

And your ban will unconstitutionally take away rights of millions of law abiding citizens.

But … do SOMETHING!! You’re demonstrating the very point of the thread.

[W_and_C]

@Guvnah

@W_and_C

Well, obviously those things are already happening today

And that’s my point.

The sociopath will do what he intends to do, and if you ban one method, he’ll employ another.

And your ban will unconstitutionally take away rights of millions of law abiding citizens.

But … do SOMETHING!! You’re demonstrating the very point of the thread.

I’d rather confine them to as few methods as possible. You’ll never eliminate crime/terror altogether but we can make it more difficult. Seems to be working in other civilized countries.

[westaussie]

Since it needs the absurd to highlight the folly of this diversionary tactic I will accommodate. It is possible that one could murder a person per the medium of a paper cut. It wouldn’t be assured of success and it would be limited to one person; but it could be done.

[SimplyTrying]

@TheRedComet

Well then you better ban every single gun ever made. Because in one way or another every single firearm platform was built “for war” or are descended directly from weapons built “for war.”

Is an AR-15 “built for war” anymore than the M1A? Both are based on military rifles.

The above is 100% false. Think!

[SixFoot]

@W_and_C

So why do we ban/restrict some of them and not the others ?

We should decriminalize all drugs and leave the 2nd Amendment alone. This is a fun compromise.

[SimplyTrying]

@TheRedComet

Well then you better ban every single gun ever made. Because in one way or another every single firearm platform was built “for war” or are descended directly from weapons built “for war.”

Is an AR-15 “built for war” anymore than the M1A? Both are based on military rifles.

Also, I’d like to see you and your ilk fight a war with a derringer or a gun that only holds one bullet. That would be something to see.

No, all guns were not designed for war. That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve read up here.

[W_and_C]

@SixFoot

@W_and_C

So why do we ban/restrict some of them and not the others ?

We should decriminalize all drugs and leave the 2nd Amendment alone. This is a fun compromise.

Yeah but come on. There’s other inaminate objects. Nuclear/chemical weapons, other explosives, etc…

Also will likely not cause harm by themselves yet with the right human having access to those could potentially result in death of millions. Your call

[SixFoot]

@SimplyTrying

I’d like to see you and your ilk fight a war with a

I’d like to see your ilk fight a war period. :

[SixFoot]

@W_and_C

@SixFoot

@W_and_C

So why do we ban/restrict some of them and not the others ?

We should decriminalize all drugs and leave the 2nd Amendment alone. This is a fun compromise.

Yeah but come on. There’s other inaminate objects. Nuclear/chemical weapons, other explosives, etc…

Also will likely not cause harm by themselves yet with the right human having access to those could potentially result in death of millions. Your call

A nuke left on the shelf is most certainly going to blow itself up.

[W_and_C]

@SixFoot

@W_and_C

@SixFoot

@W_and_C

So why do we ban/restrict some of them and not the others ?

We should decriminalize all drugs and leave the 2nd Amendment alone. This is a fun compromise.

Yeah but come on. There’s other inaminate objects. Nuclear/chemical weapons, other explosives, etc…

Also will likely not cause harm by themselves yet with the right human having access to those could potentially result in death of millions. Your call

A nuke left on the shelf is most certainly going to blow itself up.

LOL, totally

[Guvnah]

@westaussie

Since it needs the absurd to highlight the folly of this diversionary tactic …

I gave concrete examples to the contrary.

And that’s why you should be embarrassed by your post.

[SixFoot]

@W_and_C

@SixFoot

@W_and_C

@SixFoot

@W_and_C

So why do we ban/restrict some of them and not the others ?

We should decriminalize all drugs and leave the 2nd Amendment alone. This is a fun compromise.

Yeah but come on. There’s other inaminate objects. Nuclear/chemical weapons, other explosives, etc…

Also will likely not cause harm by themselves yet with the right human having access to those could potentially result in death of millions. Your call

A nuke left on the shelf is most certainly going to blow itself up.

LOL, totally

Containment is a process. Storage is effortless.

[SimplyTrying]

@SixFoot

@SimplyTrying

I’d like to see you and your ilk fight a war with a

I’d like to see your ilk fight a war period. :

You just insulted half of the greatest generation who fought WWII. Nice job. But I guess you think only cons are in the armed services. Think!!!

[Guvnah]

@W_and_C

And your ban will unconstitutionally take away rights of millions of law abiding citizens.

But … do SOMETHING!! You’re demonstrating the very point of the thread.

I’d rather confine them to as few methods as possible.

I’ll repeat:

“And your ban will unconstitutionally take away rights of millions of law abiding citizens.”

@W_and_C

Seems to be working in other civilized countries.

Mass murders by guns? OK.

Mass murders by other means? You’re not paying attention.

[SixFoot]

Three exclamation marks? Don’t be mad, bro.

[adroit]

@Camp

No it isn’t. Guns don’t kill people…People kill people. You MUST have heard this before.

People kill people…very efficiently and effectively with guns.