I’d say about 6.
I discount their artillery and air force because I see no reports of it’s offensive effectiveness or significant use. The Ukrainians trumpet even the smallest tactical success, but nothing about their artillery or air forces. I see effective small unit tactics on their part and a lot of gross incompetence on the Russian force’s part up to this point. But the Russian artillery has been very effective. And they are using it exactly the way they always have, massed fires. And offensive operations are much harder than defensive operations. The Ukrainian Army has been training very hard to defend their land, but not to launch major offensives. They will require massing of stores, munitions and fuel and concentration of force to achieve a 3-1 advantage, at a minimum, at the point of attack. Where along their defensive lines are they able to pull forces to mass for the attack without the Russian’s detecting the movement?
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So they don’t?
As for the real leader I think it went over your head.
I blame both of them and I blame Biden and Europe for hold up support.
No “many” are not saying that, I can think of 4 maybe 5 that fall into one or both of those categories.
I can think of 3 that fit the first and maybe 1 or 2 in the 2nd but that’s about it
That is ok, please do not follow me on that. It seems that months ago Zskyy may have been able to negotiate by not pushing NATO. Actually I agree with him that most of those countries did not help him much. At least they are taking refugees.
@Axxowiz has family there. I listen to @Axxowiz more than media and arm chair commandos. Samm there is more than meets the eye.
Ps, I despise Pukin’Putin.
I also despise the Azov battalion,
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How many folks are here regularly- about 12 conservatives and 10 libs?
Yeah I’d say most of the conservatives here blame the war on “NATO expansionism”- I could name 7-8 off the top of my head. And there’s only a few conservatives here who think Putin is the main culprit- Samm being the main one.
And then you have about 5 completely off the rails conflating Ukraine/Zelensky with Nazis/Azov.
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More than that for both.
Regularly?
There’s probably 50 main posters with about 20 who are regular posters.
Even six is not “many.”
It would appear that @Orygun wants to make this issue partisan like most other topics tend to be. To the contrary, it’s my observation that our© individual politics have very little to do with our© opinions on the war.
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Honestly if you look it at it from a partisan perspective (and not just a forum perspective) there is a Trump/Tucker/Greene wing that is isolationist and plays nice with Putin. There is a much larger conservative group that overtly supports Ukraine against Putin- that would be McCarthy, McConell et al.
Here on the forum it is reversed where the isolationist wing is ascendant. But the GOP generally is very supportive if not more hawkish about supporting Ukraine.
It was not in Zelensky’s control to “push joining NATO.” They did not qualify and everyone concerned knew that. In short, the “Russia invaded Ukraine because of NATO” is a very smelly, bright red herring.
I’m not sure what advantage having family there provides during the chaos of war, but I’m sure you are right. As is oft repeated, the first casualty of war is the truth. And I never thought that you ever had anything but loathing for Putin.
I think your imagination has taken control over your touch with reality. Opinions on this war expressed here are not nearly as partisan as you are making them out to be.
Meh there’s an isolationist/Trump wing and an old school anti-Russia wing in the GOP. They are both represented here.
You can see it here in this vote in Congress.
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“The House overwhelmingly approved a resolution expressing support for NATO on Tuesday.
More than 60 Republicans on Tuesday voted against a resolution expressing support for NATO and calling on President Joe Biden to strengthen the organization’s committement to defending democracy.
Republicans who voted against Tuesday’s resolution included most of Trump’s most loyal defenders in Congress, among them: Reps. Lauren Boebert of Colorado; Madison Cawthorn of North Carolina; Matt Gaetz of Florida; Paul Gosar of Arizona; Marjorie Taylor-Greene of Georgia; and Jim Jordan of Ohio.“
In your mind …
It’s no wonder you are confused. Expressing a lack of support for NATO is wholly different from expressing support for Putin.
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Maybe they are husbanding the artillery for a counter offensive? In addition, they are probably not inclined to bombard their own cities. The drones and Javelins seem to be pretty effective.
As far as the air goes, I would imagine given the numerical and qualitative inferiority, that the Ukranians are squirelling them away in hardened hangars and relying on AA systems.
