Trump: I can pardon myself if I want to

Opinions seem to vary based on whether or not the speaker wants to see the target punished to the point of destruction.

Judicial theory does not apply, pardons are extra judicial processes and that power belongs solely and unquestionably to the Executive and the Exec alone under our constitution.

I realize a pardon is erasing a prior convictiion, whereas in my case the judge decided he/she was not personally guilty. But it was the only comparison I could think of that is just as ridiculous.

A judge would not preside over his/her own trial for obvious reasons. And for equally obvious reasons a President should not pardon himself.

Doesn’t it wipe the slate clean? As though the conviction had not happened?

No. A pardon does not erase a conviction. You are incorrect from the start and the rest of your post does not merit a comment.

No. The acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt.
A pardon acknowledges guilt but forgives the penalty.

Why would this even be a point of discussion unless he knew he was guilty of something.

Moonshine brought the subject up. Ask him what he is guilty of.

Is it always an admission of guilt? Not in this case. One of the few pardons Trump has issued so far that was the right thing to do.

Over a century after Jack Johnson was convicted in 1913 of violating a federal law for transporting a white woman across state lines, President Donald Trump has granted the first black heavyweight boxing champion a full posthumous pardon.

With many boxing figures like current WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder, Lennox Lewis and actor Sylvester Stallone in attendance for the ceremony, President Trump granted the rare pardon for what he said many felt was a racially motivated injustice.
https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/president-trump-announces-posthumous-pardon-for-heavyweight-champion-jack-johnson/

Clinton pardoned his brother; Carter was lucky- Billy beer wasn’t a crime, but close

Not necessarily.

What crime was Nixon convicted of when he received his pardon?

No. You and yours are creating this discussion in the first place.

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No, the conviction remains,t he penalties are revoked.

Since when is Old Guy representative of anything republican much less conservative?

Moonshine brought up trump pardoning himself? Truly?

It wasn’t an admission of guilt for Johnson- Johnson didn’t accept it. He was dead.
When a pardon is accepted, it is an admission of guilt.

Amazing isn’t it? They start a speculative straw man thread and immediately act like it came from President Trump. :roll_eyes:

The presidents lawyer brought it up, didn’t he?

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Yeah, Trump and his cronies have been such helpful participants in this investigation and aren’t constantly either threatening to shut it down or bragging about how they could at a moment’s notice. Law and order!

No evidence here of such. I doubt very much that being in play.

Straw man? Multiple reports indicate the President himself has been asking if he has such power.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyers-seek-to-undercut-muellers-russia-investigation/2017/07/20/232ebf2c-6d71-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.8a1d10853981