you want a contortionist award too?
Sorry, reading a quote in context is the opposite of contorting.
Nuance is a lost art.
Eleventy dimensional Evangelicalism.
I am redefining nothing. I am presenting what the Religious Right was saying during the election process. They preferred Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton for the reasons stated. I am not saying the Religious Right is against personal morals. I am merely pointing out that this group liked Donald Trump’s views on religion better than they liked Clinton’s. This was never about endorsing the most moral candidate. Many feel with all his faults President Trump’s morality still rises above Hillary Clinton’s. What moral values do you believe Hillary Clinton holds that the Religious Right may have missed?
Right during the election and not during the past 35 years. It is a redefine of epic proportions.
yeah, i’ve lived among evangelicals/christians my entire life. no way i’m letting them weasel out of what they’ve SAID was important to them (which are things that should be important to all of us) because of one vile politician. nor should anyone else.
Practical government, realizing that Congress makes the budget.
People who are surrounded by family and friends, none of whom have been married three times or more, none of whom who have ever committed adultery, are lucky in deed. For those of us not as lucky…I’m still no fan of throwing the offenders overboard in all other endeavors they take on.
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man, you’re working overtime to justify things that Trump has done and walk back all the things that evangelicals/christians have said certain actions.
i actually think it’s funny that “family values” people are having to cover for Trump (exactly like what you’re doing now).
and when he’s gone all that stuff will be important in leaders/role models again. it’s all so fake.
I am not a big fan of Evangelicals. I am not justifying anything President Trump has done in his personal life. His personal life doesn’t matter to me, and I am frankly puzzled that someone’s personal life matters so much to those who don’t have a personal relationship with that individual.
You ever live in a family where the door slams on family members who don’t “behave”? Live that life, then we can discuss family values.
A President as a role model? Hah! For whom? Hasn’t been one before Trump and my guess is there won’t be one after him.
And that’s the point. That use to be HUGE to people. Then they fell in love with Trump and deserted their own (previous) words.
It’s hilarious.
Twas never huge for me–and this goes back to before I could vote. Perhaps Nixon was President when I was at too impressionable of an age. I have always studied the issues, always studied the candidates, and have always voted for the candidate (from whichever party) whose political views align most closely to my own.
An example: Where President Obama and I were at odds was with his philosophy of, “I’m not going to let ISIS affect my life/schedule.” And he didn’t. There could be an attack somewhere in the world that affected Americans and he went on with his golf game, his dancing, his watching the ballgame.
Must have been nice to have had that luxury when others had their lives thrown into great upheaval. As this affected me first/second hand I held a very strong difference of political opinion. I’ll criticize that stance, but I’m not going to bash him over how few times he went to church. But then, I’m fine with having an atheist President.
in all fairness to some earlier presidents… People like George Washington was held up as a role model when I was a kid. Now … I would be hard pressed to believe that libs really think role models are important. They have slammed, demeaned, denigrated, and belittled every role model a traditional family boy ever had. So… don’t believe the malarkey about libs lamenting the loss of a role model. It’s a lie.
But it’s been huge for millions of Americans for a long, long time.
proof?
Kennedy, everyone’s darling boy was a man slut.
Has anyone said as much?
What’s of interest here is conservatives throwing over the political rhetoric of decades (“Character matters”…“the coarsening of society”…“family values”) in order to embrace a man who has lived a life that’s the antithesis of it all for the sake of politics. And once Donald’s gone they will just as surely take it all up again, without a hint of shame.
Then it really just sounds like sour grapes. You think your candidate had more character but you still lost.
We think she has the character of a scorpion.
I’ve said nothing about any other candidate but the one “values voters” supported in 2016, and continue to at present.
Are you able to perceive how this looks to anyone on the outside looking in? The rhetoric of values was just that - empty rhetoric. No substance, no conviction. Just political window dressing. You thought Clinton a monster, and embraced an equally deplorable one in opposition. When Donald’s gone and you once more take up all that talk about principles and values, you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone who takes it seriously.
test 1. which would you rather have a glass of milk or a glass of urine?
test 2. what if your choice is a glass of urine or a glass of sulfuric acid?
If, we take the piss when given test two, you are telling me that you will have a hard time believing that we would rather have milk.
Fine. No one will take you seriously either. Character matters. But the nation’s sovereignty and the preservation of our way of life matters more.