You’re being completely obtuse. You may not claim to be part of the “Religious Right”, but the evangelical political movement has been a real thing the last few decades. They have absolutely implemented somewhat of a religious litmus test against candidates up until this last election cycle when they threw that out of the window and supported Trump. Personally, I’m glad they revealed that they don’t actually care about values but about power.
Spare us the persecution complex. Many Christians are just as critical of this behavior and have called out fellow Christians on it as well. If a large segment of the evangelical political movement didn’t come out to be completely hypocritical and abandon a major plank of their platform (family values, not supporting amoral behavior, etc etc), there wouldn’t be such criticism. It’s not some attack on Christianity, it’s a criticism of hypocritical Christians.
The only defining difference in this post is the support for Planned Parenthood. Obama and Clinton advocated for freedom of religion. Obama and Clinton both said Merry Christmas (which is seriously the most mind-numbing criteria to base support for a politician). As for the support or opposition to PP, what actual policy comes out of such a position? Nothing. It’s lip service. Just like the “Merry Christmas” issue.
Don’t get too comfortable with that. I fully expect them to take up the “character matters/family values/Judeo-Christian America/coarsening of our culture” standards the minute Donald leaves the Oval Office.
In speaking of the average American with traditional values:
"They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
That was not a negative comment towards the Christian religion. It certainly could be perceived as a negative comment towards a specific sort of American Christian.
Easy enough to see why Evangelicals (some of them, anyway) would be less than enthusiastic about finding themselves closely associated with a man like Donald.
I haven’t seen Rose on the new community yet so I figured I’d do my part with the extreme parsing.
Obama was speaking to a specific group of working class Americans who happen to be Christians. Feel free to point out where he said something negative about Christianity as a whole (evilwestsidefan commented that he felt Obama “seemed very negative toward the Christian Religion”), I’ll concede the point.
You do realize Christianity is practiced outside of the United States, correct?
The context of that quote is working- and middle-class Americans who feel cynical about government and who have been hit hard economically due to various changes to the economy. A skepticism towards “the other” and that there is going to be a hesitancy to supporting this middle-aged black man named Barack Obama. There’s nothing really malicious about the quote. And truly, there’s nothing really inaccurate about it either. When hit hard economically for years and years, that does cause bitterness, and people turn to things they can control and does comfort them. Things they feel give them security and peace. Things they use as outlets for their anger.
careful. I received a “ticket” in the old forum for an obscenity that I assumed the filter would cover… if the forum did in fact consider it an obscenity. There was no filter and I got hit with a “filter bypass” ticket.
it was a word that rhymes with pick and refers to a man’s genitals.
