Transgender Sex Reassignment Surgery, now more accessible in Wisconsin

[SixFoot]

I was just thinking how that could be misconstrued as a play on your username. Rest assured, it was not. I know who Ahriman is.

[thinkingman]

@FreeAndClear

Yes it supports exactly what i said. Your report literally says what i said that there is an overall higher chance of suicides with those who deal with these issues. It’s not because of the surgery.

Unless i am of course misunderstanding your argument.

● Members of the transgender population are also at higher risk of a variety of mental health problems compared to members of the non-transgender population. Especially alarmingly, the rate of lifetime suicide attempts across all ages of transgender individuals is estimated at 41%, compared to under 5% in the overall U.S. population.

yes. you are. my argument is the surgeries dont address the underlying problem of mental illness

[thinkingman]

@AngraMainyu

@thinkingman

@AngraMainyu

It does. The suicide rate drops. This has been quantified. Please stop spreading misinformation.

“Compared to the general population, adults who have undergone sex-reassignment surgery continue to have a higher risk of experiencing poor mental health outcomes. One study found that, compared to controls, sex-reassigned individuals were about 5 times more likely to attempt suicide and about 19 times more likely to die by suicide.”

gender surgery doesnt work. it doesn’t address the underlying problems of mental illness

you needed this knowledge bad

Executive Summary – Sexuality and Gender

This does not say what you think it does. Transgender people have higher rates of suicide whether they are pre-op or post-op compared to a control population. The question here is whether quality of life and suicide rates drop in pre-op trans people vs post op trans people.

We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being. We identified 56 studies that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 52 (93%) found that gender transition improves the overall well-being of transgender people, while 4 (7%) report mixed or null findings.

What We Know | What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being? | What We Know

There are a plethora of studies posted at the link. Knock yourself out.

what does that matter if the surgeries dont address the underlying problem of depression, mental illness?

you’re supporting the position of performing genital mutilation surgeries on people with mental health issues who decided to have surgeries due to…mental health issues

[thinkingman]

@AngraMainyu

@thinkingman

@AngraMainyu

@thinkingman

@noSpaces

Non transgender people telling transgender people what is and isn’t necessary. The hubris.

mentally ill people most often need help from those who aren’t mentally ill

Being transgender is not a mental illness.

it is the result of a mental illness.

sorry the left will have to keep searching for another aggrieved group to make a “civil rights” issue with

You sought out this thread without doing any extensive research on the subject. It seems you’re the one attempting to seek out the “aggrieved”.

Being transgender is not a mental illness.

chief psychologist at johns hopkins disagree.

and i knew that before posting in this thread

[AngraMainyu]

To be clear, gender dysphoria is considered a mental illness when the quality of life of an individual becomes impaired due to the anxiety it causes. The appropriate treatment is gender reassignment surgery.
No surgery in the world is going to fix depression caused by societal discrimination and being homeless after your family kicks you out.

[AngraMainyu]

Sure. And there are, as I posted above, 52 studies that contradict his claims.

[thinkingman]

@AngraMainyu

To be clear, gender dysphoria is considered a mental illness when the quality of life of an individual becomes impaired due to the anxiety it causes. The appropriate treatment is gender reassignment surgery.
No surgery in the world is going to fix depression caused by societal discrimination and being homeless after your family kicks you out.

i disagree strongly that surgery is “appropriate” as this demonstrably does not address the underlying mental issues

this needs to be treated as a mental illness. not as a new minority group that needs more acceptance let alone promotion, and celebration

[thinkingman]

@AngraMainyu

Sure. And there are, as I posted above, 52 studies that contradict his claims.

no… that’s one source, who says 52

[AngraMainyu]

Click on the link. There are 52 studies attached at the bottom of the article.

[AngraMainyu]

You have no reason to disagree strongly, other than your feelings. The data demonstrates that gender reassignment surgery is effective in treating gender dysphoria (which is not the same thing as being transgender).

Transgender people have been with us for thousands of years, across continents and cultures, from India to the tribes of America. They are not a “new minority group”.

[Oryx]

@thinkingman

this needs to be treated as a mental illness.

Are you a medical professional? What qualifies you to make this diagnosis for people you haven’t even met?

[Steel-W0LF]

@Oryx

@thinkingman

this needs to be treated as a mental illness.

Are you a medical professional? What qualifies you to make this diagnosis for people you haven’t even met?

Because when the chemistry of your brain tells you something that doesn’t match with reality… that IS a mental illness.

[Oryx]

@Steel-W0LF

Because when the chemistry of your brain tells you something that doesn’t match with reality… that IS a mental illness.

Are you a medical professional? What qualifies you to make such a diagnosis for a group of people you’ve never met?

[Axxowiz]

I don’t know if it’s the best thing suicide rates post and pre surgery seem to stay around the same. And I am in the corner of people can do whatever they want to themselves, as long as I don’t have to pay for it.

[TheRedComet]

Not saying I agree with it entirely but that may correlate with how many trans people are treated by society at large and more significantly by their families.

We are only just now getting a point where gay teenagers are being openly accepted by the majority of their families.

I can imagine that trans people go through some crazy ■■■■■

[DMK]

@TheRedComet

Not saying I agree with it entirely but that may correlate with how many trans people are treated by society at large and more significantly by their families.

We are only just now getting a point where gay teenagers are being openly accepted by the majority of their families.

I can imagine that trans people go through some crazy ■■■■■

I would hope families would stick by a child no matter their orientation.

However, IMO, the fringe elements do no favors to people legitimately struggling; they do more harm than good.

[thinkingman]

@AngraMainyu

You have no reason to disagree strongly, other than your feelings. The data demonstrates that gender reassignment surgery is effective in treating gender dysphoria (which is not the same thing as being transgender).

Transgender people have been with us for thousands of years, across continents and cultures, from India to the tribes of America. They are not a “new minority group”.

while the data i referenced supports that gender mutilation surgery does nothing to address the deeper mental issues at hand

[thinkingman]

@AngraMainyu

Sure. And there are, as I posted above, 52 studies that contradict his claims.

his claims of decades of cases

[thinkingman]

@Oryx

@thinkingman

this needs to be treated as a mental illness.

Are you a medical professional? What qualifies you to make this diagnosis for people you haven’t even met?

oh this isnt my “diagnosis” it is merely referencing what the experts say

please post that even though it is contrary to the narrative you are trying to create

[thinkingman]

@AngraMainyu

To be clear, gender dysphoria is considered a mental illness when the quality of life of an individual becomes impaired due to the anxiety it causes. The appropriate treatment is gender reassignment surgery.
No surgery in the world is going to fix depression caused by societal discrimination and being homeless after your family kicks you out.

to actually be really clear, you should mention how this was called “gender identification disorder” before the dsm decided they were afraid to hurt people’s “feelings”