If that would be “libs ultimate utopia” could you please give us a list of Bills Sponsored in Congress by Liberals wishing to establish any of those things right here in the good old USA?
While I’ve never put any poster on ignore, the contention isn’t with anyone of opposition. It’s with people who make fallacious arguments and aren’t interested in honest debate, like yourself. You paint with broad brushes and don’t want to engage in good faith.
I guess you would call me a lib based on most of my views, but this is as far from utopia as I could imagine.
Ask yourself when did all this government surveillance start. Post 9/11 and I’m not going to blame just republicans because democrats where right there with them on this at the time. Obama made it worse and I don’t see Trump doing anything about it either. Lets get rid of the Patriot act and secret courts and the rest.