The tax paying population is what counts.
Atticle hits on every argument I have ever made on utilizing a European health model in America. Finland has a population the size of MN. Its aging and shrinking. Which means that they are not adding new payors into the system as those already in the system use more services.
Socialistic medicine like this is not sustainable in Finland. How is Bernie gonna sustain it here?
It was smoke and mirrors in the 90s. It is smoke and mirrors now.
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Birth rates and an aging population using more healthcare…with fewer people coming into it as payors into the system… Money is going to run out.
We pay twice per capita than the next OECD country and they have universal single payer health care.
We have the money.
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Yes it can.
Thr problem is old people. If we stopped giving people healthcare after a certain age, all our problems would be solved.
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Jez…all due respect…i have A masters degree in Health Care Administration and have spent 20 yrs in the field. It will not work here. We have an immigration problem of people coming here not paying into it but expecting to use it. It is not sustainavle…never was going to be never is. Its the plain simple truth.
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I understand that.
But the numbers do not lie. We pay twice as much as everyone else.
Now if the case could be made that our system was twice as good… then fine.
But for the life of me, I cannot see how the American people are not getting what we pay for when the rest of the developed world is getting comparable care at a much better price.
The subject of the OP, Finland, could double what they spend on health care and still spend less per capita than what we do.
So which system is unsustainable in the long run?
Our system is 10 times better, 50 times befter. We pay for scores of people who don’t pay anything into the system. If we were to afford it and do it. It could never be sustained. Either the system would collapse, or wed all be paying 40% tax rates, or better. Our population is too large.
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I disagree.
We have people who go on Gofundme to be able to afford insulin.
Insulin for God’s sake.
Rural hospitals are closing at an alarming rate. People go bankrupt from medical issues… something that doesn’t happen in other developed nations. Job mobility is curbed because of access to health care.
Heck… even a conservative George Mason think tank paper showed that single payer would save Americans $2 Trillion overall. Conservative think-tanker accidentally defends Bernie Sanders' single-payer health care plan.
Yes… it will cost a lot of money… but health care is going to cost a lot of money anyway. What is shown over and over is that comparable care is less expensive when taken out of the free market.
I have epilepsy,it is pretty much under control with my medication.As it is classed as a disability I pay nothing for my prescription under the NHS system we have.
I have spoke with American people with epilepsy on forums who sometimes can’t afford to buy their medication and have to suffer seizure after seizure-I wouldn’t wish that on anyone
There are many faults in our health service but I wouldn’t swap it for the US model,I don’t know of anybody here,left or right who think the American system is better
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Does “better” explain why our infant mortality is so high and our life expectancy is so low.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html
Because private insurance is awful.
Has anyone on this forum ever met a 64 year old who dreaded going on Medicare the next year?
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Nothing, absolutely nothing, in that article supports the position that health care in the USA is superior to the Finnish health care model.
Yep. Hospitals with poor whites…no illegals.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-follow-up-appointment/ar-AAFWXjI?ocid=spartandhp
Kinda like our economy.
Tear down that wal LOL!!!
There is no uniformity in how infant mortality rates are calculated and thus no credible figures available.
This isn’t an argument against using it here since we don’t suffer from the same demographic problem as Finland.
They need more slaves to pay for all that taxation.
