The New Iron Curtain

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The Iron Curtain of yesteryear, eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, the cold war and all that…

The West won the cold war, now they are surrendering to the Marxists! The iron curtain is making a comeback, only now it’s all over the West.

Authoritarians who imprison people for noticing Islamists are raping and beating, imposing Sharia, and advocating taking over, creating a new Califate - or daring to oppose abortion, the insane trans movement, or drag queens pole dancing for kinder gardeners, or preachers daring to advocate Christian principles, or people praying silently 500 feet from an abortion clinic, or near an abortion clinic inside their home…

Also Lawfare on political opponents…

Sound familiar?

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Western Europe has been “ socialist” for a century

They never really had free speech to begin with

Their “right wing” parties are primarily anti immigrant and are “socialist” in every other way.

Don’t try apply American standards to Europeans politics.

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French Leftists just “Trumped” Marine Le Pen… So…just like leftists in the US Lawfare against Trump, the left is willing to do ANYTHING to have power. Soon living in Europe will be like living inside the old iron Curtain. They seem doomed.

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It’s funny. The dying west was always a Soviet mantra.

Also we heard this song dance with “no go zones”.

Europe still stands. Now it’s going to arm itself. Fun times.

Isolationism - the most short sighted pursuit in human history

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Yup, but they always advocated free speech and all the items in the OP actually happened and are happening. None of that has been this way till the last few years. They are not free. I think we should tell them we are willing to withdraw from NATO if they aren’t willing to have free countries.

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They stand, as dictatorships, I guess they stand, but if they are just another Marxist hole they can fend for themselves.

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They never advocated free speech. They pretended speech is free then murdered the Irish in England, prevented the immigrants from holding political office or becoming citizens in Germany, isolated anyone who doesn’t look like them in urban areas in France, Belgium, holland, etc. Europe is being Europe. Letting it arm itself is idiotic.

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They are not dictatorships. Stop. Lessen the drama

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Naw, they are already doomed. I say dump them. At least the ones going off the dictatorship cliff.

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They are not doomed. They are for the most part first world countries with strong economies resources and democratic institutions.

But leaving them alone to dictatorships worked super duper well last time.

The shortsightedness is weird. It’s understandable. It’s wrong as it always was but it still weird.

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Not drama, just objective. They are DOING things as a dictatorship and keep getting worse every year. They will soon be toast.

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You are ignoring decades of history… all because of Le Pen

In a country that riots every few years. In a country that resets its constitution every few decades.

Not knowing history will Make everything super super dramatic.

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So, do what keep propping them up and say nothing or do nothing as they keep going farther and farther into oppression and insanity? NOPE!

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I don’t know the answer but judging their political events through an Americo centric lens is incorrect

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I know more that you think. I have relatives born there. They are doing things they never did before. They are getting worse every year. I don’t see them turning back. I just see them going farther and farther into leftist Marxist insanity/dictatorship.

Personally I don’t think it will get better without civil war. I hope for better, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.

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Imagine when the UK becomes the Califate, with a full arsenal of Nukes… or France decides it needs a Chairman Mao for life… with Nukes also…

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It will only be another iron curtain if you are prohibited from leaving. That’s what the iron curtain was … a barrier from leaving and strict control over philosophical ideas coming in.

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Europe has been a cesspool of tribal hatred since before the Roman Empire. Waging war on each other is their natural state. Thinking that structures like the EU, and its previous incarnations, would somehow evolve Europe away from its warring barbarian horde instincts is one of the biggest fool’s errands in human history.

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Oh I don’t know, I think they have been fairly successful so far. There have been far fewer wars on the Continent since the end of WWII than during any other equal period in that long sordid history.

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I made that same assertion before but i was given some examples

Ireland
Yugoslavia
All the Russian wars and Soviet actions when different states tried to rebel on 50s and 60s