The Impeachment will happen, Pelosi officially kicks it off at 5:00 pm today (9/24/2019)

The audio isn’t even needed anymore. Trump and Guiliani both have let the cat out of the bag the past two days that we know all we need to know.

I don’t even see trumpsters denying it.

Trump held back military aid for Ukraine to extort them into ginning up help for his political campaign.

He’s proudly guilty of it.

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It did not work out with Clinton because Clinton’s perjury was in a private matter – he was trying to hide his infidelity from his wife – and while it was perjury the effort came across as vindictive and petty.

The matter at question here – we are assuming (because we don’t know the full extent of the whistle blower report) – is that Trump used American diplomacy in the service of electoral gain. If that emerges as the through story it is not going to look as petty as going after a man for telling a lie to keep a secret from his wife.

If lying to keep a secret from your wife was material, Trump would have been impeached as “Individual One” or whatever he was called in the Daniels case, but the Democratic leadership knew better than to repeat Gingrich’s farce.

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Not with Mitt leading the charge!

The craziest part of all this-and that is pretty ■■■■■■■ crazy indeed-is that all of this could have been avoided if Trump hadn’t tried to extort Ukraine for possible dirt on the son of a likely rival candidate whose personal life is so full of tragedy re: family both recent and in the past you’d have to be a moron to even try to use it against him.

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You bet I would say the vote count in the senate will be about what it was when Bill Clinton was impeached by the house. Every single vote went down party lines.

You give Mulvaney a lot of credit.

But you are forgetting all the fun we will have, if it gets that far, watching Susan Collins pull her “I’m so conflicted act” for weeks until at the last minute she decides to vote to acquit Trump. Isn’t that something to look forward to?

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Yeah… but that was lying about a hummer.

This is a blatant abuse of Presidential power to get a foreign country involved in our elections. You know… kinda what like the Trump campaign did in the Mueller report.

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He just tweeted a trailer for his impeachment. Now I’m even more excited!

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A far left pyscho is probably the predictable pendulum swing after Trump.

Pence is a different matchup.

He’s the only hope left for the future of republican party. If he ain’t on the phone with Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz right now, his entire career has been pointless. The entire reason he is Vice President is to be the Christian establishment figurehead ready to take over from the Manhattan heathen when he inevitably collapses. And here we are.

The best thing that could happen to the Republican party is to remove Trump, have Pence pardon him and everyone else, spend a few months genuflecting to the cross and the flag while the party gets the primaries ready and in a year we all forget that any of the contenders were ever associated with any of this.

Now is the time.

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If nothing else, he was clever enough to make himself permanent “acting” chief of staff so he can walk away the second that Trump starts abusing him.

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It is politics it didn’t work with Clinton because the Democrats in the Senate we’re not gonna vote him out and risk not being elected themselves.

“Officially”?

Did she schedule a vote to make it “official”?

JWK

Elizabeth Warren wants elderly American citizens, who paid into Medicare all their lives, to surrender their healthcare to the millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders.

And what about Nixon? Seems to actually matter what the impeachment is based on, eh?

It’s didn’t work with Clinton because him lying about consensual sex was an utterly stupid reason to impeach

No. Just procedural stuff that nadler claimed he was doing weeks ago.

Pence is a dry bag and would get owned by the EC. There is an election in just one year the dems just need to vote him out.

If you believe that lying to cover an affair is a High Crime and Misdemeanor you should apply the same rule to Trump.

If you are not willing to do that then you are admitting you know that the Democrats acquitted because the Republicans claim that Clinton’s perjury hit the “High Crime and Misdemeanor” bar was nonsense.

You can’t have it both ways.

Nixon wasn’t impeached he resigned. This is exactly what Trump wants it’s starting to get sad people on the left don’t see his tactics, he wants a show and they are going to give it to him right before the election.

He “resigned” :joy: