The Future of Our Glorious Party Is the -Cortez Woman


#81

An exception that does not disprove the rule.


#82

So how is Venezuela Healthcare looking these days?

related data in two years. It showed soaring infant and maternal mortality rates. Pregnancy-related deaths rose 66% and 11,466 infants died – a 30% increase

Instead, patients are expected to bring any medicine or supplies needed for their treatment themselves.

See you can pick a 3rd world Country like Chile but why do you ignore Venezuela?

And Chile is a a mix system and not a single payer system for all. You pay either 7% or 9% for the 2 insurances and you have a mix of Private and Government funded Hospitals and doctors.

FONASA beneficiaries may use public or private health facilities if the private health facility or health professional is associated with Fonasa in one of three pricing levels.

The level of protection offered by ISAPREs depends on the worker’s income and medical risk, estimated by age, sex, family medical history, etc.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1514202


#83

Israeli dictators then?

British Dictator?

French?

Belgian?

Greek?


#84

One person says the poor are receiving health care, you say they aren’t. which is it?


#85

How is the British Empire doing last you checked? Does the sun still not set on it?


#86

So hospitals closing is not a sign of a socialist system. It happens in their system and ours. Probably not a good reason to condemn one system and not the other, right? I mean, logically speaking. If it’s just politics, go right ahead.


#87

Venezuela is a study in how to ■■■■ up an economy as much as possible, especially when the majority of the wealth comes from a single resource.

To compare the economy of Venezuela to the economy of the US is asinine.

There is no comparison.


#88

Hey… they got into a huge war a hundred years ago that brought down five Great Powers.

The NHS has nothing to do with that.


#89

Poor Mr Tytler has been proven wrong again and again by history. Why use a quote that is so clearly wrong?


#90

Actually, an exception shows the “rule” is not absolute and the language in the rule should reflect that. So the rule needs to be rewritten to use “may”.


#91

You’re right. let’s all quit working and live off the government teat from now on.


#92

And Chile, is not a good comparison as well. Since the Health Care system that was started was when the Military Controlled the Country and then when it became democratic the Private companies began to expand on it.
So if we can’t compare Venezuela’s SINGLE PAYER system then you can’t use Chile either.
The problem is NO country is going to be comparable to the USA we are Unique and we will need to find a system that works better for the USA not what work’s for others.
I am all for a Single Payer System but i have complete lack of faith in that the USA Federal Government will do any better to what we have currently. And States will mess it up as well especially when some states like CT are in the Red.


#93

Two things. I’m not making an argument. An “argument” implies that I have a notion that I can change anyone’s mind on here. Minds on here are so far off planet as to be in the Ooort Cloud.

And two while technically the -cortez woman isn’t a commie…she’s a commie or at best a commie in the making. Well, a juvenile delinquent commie. Better?


#94

You do that. I"m interested in having serious discussions with serious people with an open mind. Not nutflakes. That was too harsh. Cornflakes.


#95

at least get her name right.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

If shes the new face, get her name right.

Allan


#96

Sorta like Barack Hussein Obama II. See I can do it.

Allan


#97

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez she Identifies her self as a Democratic-Socialist.
So everyone can sit here and claim she isn’t a Socialist but then maybe you should educate her on what a real socialist is.

Here is the wiki definition:

Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1] with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market socialist, participatory or decentralized planned economy.[2] Democratic socialists hold that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a socialist society. Democratic socialism can be supportive of either revolutionary or reformist politics as a means to establish socialism

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.


#99

Why won’t their skills be properly compensated.


#100

Making money doesn’t guarantee that.


#101

I am a saying that we cannot compare the two economies of the US and Venezuela. There are deep fundamental differences as to how each country gains wealth. Venezuela has basically a single export and did well when those prices were high. They chose to not foster any other domestic production for export. Along with really stupid monetary policy, they are in the situation that they are in today.

One cannot also compare the economy of Chile and the US… yet somehow they have a higher life expectancy than us.

So how do we square that fact?