Jezcoe
July 25, 2018, 1:01pm
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez she Identifies her self as a Democratic-Socialist.
Here is the wiki definition:
Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1] with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market socialist, participatory or decentralized planned economy.[2] Democratic socialists hold that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a socialist society. Democratic socialism can be supportive of either revolutionary or reformist politics as a means to establish socialism
Democratic socialism - Wikipedia
Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.
What is Democratic Socialism? - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)
She is basically in favor of Scandinavian style public goods taking place of where the free market fails to provide for everyone.
It really isn’t that radical.
Jezcoe:
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Jezcoe:
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So how is Venezuela Healthcare looking these days?
related data in two years. It showed soaring infant and maternal mortality rates. Pregnancy-related deaths rose 66% and 11,466 infants died – a 30% increase
Instead, patients are expected to bring any medicine or supplies needed for their treatment themselves.
Venezuela's health system is in worse condition than expected, survey finds | CNN
See you can pick a 3rd world Country like Chile but why do you ignore Venezuela?
And Chile is a a mix system and not a single payer system for all. You pay either 7% or 9% for the 2 insurances and you have a mix of Private and Government funded Hospitals and doctors.
FONASA beneficiaries may use public or private health facilities if the private health facility or health professional is associated with Fonasa in one of three pricing levels.
The level of protection offered by ISAPREs depends on the worker’s income and medical risk, estimated by age, sex, family medical history, etc.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1514202
Venezuela is a study in how to ■■■■ up an economy as much as possible, especially when the majority of the wealth comes from a single resource.
To compare the economy of Venezuela to the economy of the US is asinine.
There is no comparison.
And Chile, is not a good comparison as well. Since the Health Care system that was started was when the Military Controlled the Country and then when it became democratic the Private companies began to expand on it.
I am a saying that we cannot compare the two economies of the US and Venezuela. There are deep fundamental differences as to how each country gains wealth. Venezuela has basically a single export and did well when those prices were high. They chose to not foster any other domestic production for export. Along with really stupid monetary policy, they are in the situation that they are in today.
One cannot also compare the economy of Chile and the US… yet somehow they have a higher life expectancy than us.
So how do we square that fact?
As I stated you can not “SQUARE” Chile with the USA 2 completely different countries. Which are not similar in population or diversity in country.
You are trying to make a comparison on Chile yet telling me we can’t compare Venezuela
Be specific on what Scandinavian country? And also again your comparing countries that you can not COMPARE to the USA. You cry when i compared failing country.
Jezcoe
July 25, 2018, 1:10pm
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Jezcoe:
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Jezcoe:
Illegal_Alien:
So how is Venezuela Healthcare looking these days?
related data in two years. It showed soaring infant and maternal mortality rates. Pregnancy-related deaths rose 66% and 11,466 infants died – a 30% increase
Instead, patients are expected to bring any medicine or supplies needed for their treatment themselves.
Venezuela's health system is in worse condition than expected, survey finds | CNN
See you can pick a 3rd world Country like Chile but why do you ignore Venezuela?
And Chile is a a mix system and not a single payer system for all. You pay either 7% or 9% for the 2 insurances and you have a mix of Private and Government funded Hospitals and doctors.
FONASA beneficiaries may use public or private health facilities if the private health facility or health professional is associated with Fonasa in one of three pricing levels.
The level of protection offered by ISAPREs depends on the worker’s income and medical risk, estimated by age, sex, family medical history, etc.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1514202
Venezuela is a study in how to ■■■■ up an economy as much as possible, especially when the majority of the wealth comes from a single resource.
To compare the economy of Venezuela to the economy of the US is asinine.
There is no comparison.
And Chile, is not a good comparison as well. Since the Health Care system that was started was when the Military Controlled the Country and then when it became democratic the Private companies began to expand on it.
I am a saying that we cannot compare the two economies of the US and Venezuela. There are deep fundamental differences as to how each country gains wealth. Venezuela has basically a single export and did well when those prices were high. They chose to not foster any other domestic production for export. Along with really stupid monetary policy, they are in the situation that they are in today.
One cannot also compare the economy of Chile and the US… yet somehow they have a higher life expectancy than us.
So how do we square that fact?
As I stated you can not “SQUARE” Chile with the USA 2 completely different countries. Which are not similar in population or diversity in country.
You are trying to make a comparison on Chile yet telling me we can’t compare Venezuela
Okay… shall we go to life expectancy results for other OECD countries and show how much worse our results are?
Using Chile as an example shows that even third world countries can have a better outcome than the mess that the US currently operates under.
That’s all.
Jezcoe
July 25, 2018, 1:12pm
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I fail to see why the US is such a special case that a Scandinavian style system wouldn’t work.
We are the wealthiest country to ever exist in he history of humanity.
Yet the system of wealth concentration that we have and selling off of the commons has created a situation where we are quickly becoming a very rich poor nation.
From the old boards OT3.0 is Spinach and BAC is Alfred Newman. Hope that helps.
I only play about $45 a month for my health insurance, so I would be out of pocket a good bit in higher taxes with single payer. I’d be very much willing to pay it though, because its the right thing for the country.
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you really wanna throw around the word socialist while Donny just gave farmers 12 billion in government handouts?
Amazingly cheap. Who pays the rest? And how much is it?
You pay the rest. I’m retired Army and have Tricare for Life.
koushi_shinigami:
Why would they be?
For performing a valuable service.
gwhit
July 25, 2018, 1:47pm
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And being told by idiots that Oh we can’t afford to pay for it, yet we spend more than every other major country in the world combined. Hell our national guard budget is bigger than most other countries alone.
gwhit
July 25, 2018, 1:48pm
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I meant to say more on Military
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Jezcoe
July 25, 2018, 1:49pm
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armycowboy:
I only play about $45 a month for my health insurance, so I would be out of pocket a good bit in higher taxes with single payer. I’d be very much willing to pay it though, because its the right thing for the country.
I have really good health insurance through my Union. I only have to work 400 hours every six months to qualify and pay $300 a year to cover my wife.
But… it ties me to NYC until retirement and I can never ever lose coverage because my wife is a cancer survivor.
It’s a trade off… I guess?
You hit the nail on the head. We have our pill profiteers…No doubt about that. BUT… medical innovation doesn’t come from socialized medicine countries just trying to survive. It comes from the good old USA. That takes jack.
Ya cant tell the players without a scorecard.
Allan
Sorry but innovation doesn’t come from only the profit motive.
How many government paid employees make what a cardiac or brain surgeon makes? What would the taxpayers say about paying such high salaries?
