The false narrative that Illegal immigrants are less prone to criminal behavior than American citizens

I personally never believed this narrative as it is quite common in political issues to skew and or spin data to support one’s desired position. This argument is often used by the left to support their desire for unfettered and unlimited immigration (AKA Open Borders) into the country. It is also nonsensical to believe that flooding any country with people from crime infested, poverty-stricken ■■■■■■■■ countries will magically make the receiving country better off. I’ve also have found in my two decades of following politics numerous counter arguments to this narrative, and here is another one:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/crime-rates-of-illegal-migrants-underreported/ar-AA1FhmxM?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=fcf06265dfd7481888547ad8eba15de5&ei=14

These claims usually conflate legal and illegal immigrants. Legal immigrants tend to follow the law, but illegal immigrants are a different story.

As to the claim that crime is falling despite a flood of illegals, it depends on whether one looks at just crimes reported to police (the FBI data) or total crime as measured by the Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics. Total crime rose markedly in 2021, 2022, and 2023 (the last year it was available). This surge coincided with a massive flood of illegals. The increases shown for total crime during the Biden-Harris administration are by far the largest percentage increases over any other three-year period, more than doubling the previous record.

One big problem is that the government databases are a mess in identifying illegal aliens. You can see this in terms of errors in the NICS background checks that are supposed to stop non-citizens with criminal records from buying guns.

A prior Maricopa County Attorney’s Office study revealed that illegal immigrants committed 21.8% of felonies sentenced in Maricopa County Superior Court, over twice their proportion of Arizona’s population. Mexican nationals alone accounted for 13% of inmates in the state prison system.

Earlier work that the Crime Prevention Research Center did for the Arizona County Prosecutor’s Association also found that illegals made up a disproportionate share of the Arizona prison population and that legal immigrants were more law-abiding than the general population. Illegal immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans. They also tend to commit more serious crimes and serve 10.5% longer sentences, are more likely to be classified as dangerous, and are 45% more likely to be gang members than U.S. citizens.

Critics like the Washington Post cite academic studies asserting illegal immigrants are relatively law-abiding. There are numerous problems with these studies. None of them account for changes in police, arrest, or conviction rates, or imprisonment in explaining crime rates. They look at states like California but ignore the impact on cutting crime rates from laws such as California’s 1994 three-strikes law during the period studied.

They ignore a key issue: Criminals often target those similar to themselves. Illegal immigrants, therefore, are more likely to commit crimes against other illegal immigrants. These crimes often go unreported – for fear of deportation – and as the local population of illegal immigrants grows, underreporting almost certainly increases.

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The left took the historical, criminal record of legal immigrants and "V"irtuously applied it to ILLEGAL aliens, then changed the description to undocumented immigrants. The left doesn’t even consider coming into the country illegally to be a crime.

On a serious note, the corrupt FBI Director who said under oath, “the biggest threat to the US is white supremacy” was an absolute lie. The truth is it’s the leftist mentality propagating lies, allowing 10s of millions of illegals to enter this country, in some cases allow them to get on welfare, our medical system and issued SS numbers, are truly the biggest threat. As they yell that Trump is, “a threat to Democracy” it’s actually the left projecting what they themselves truly are guilty of.

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I think this is spot on showcasing the amount of lying the left has done. After witnessing the huge lies and cover up about bidens health, can we ever believe the left or the media?

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Complete crap. Crime spikes everywhere there’s a flood of illegals, every time (sometimes your house pets get eaten too).

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Correlation/causation

It also followed a global pandemic…. And a rise in prices due to inflation…

Doesn’t remotely show that illegals were responsible for the slight increase.

Might be true… which also would make it difficult to say they ARE responsible for the increase.

Again… then you wouldn’t know either way. It’s undetermined. If they aren’t reporting…

With a closed border the thousands of murders, rapes, human trafficking, drug smuggling (by illegals) would have NEVER happened.

I could care less about comparative crime rates.

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And 2020…. When crossings dropped off a cliff

The entirety of the thread ignores the biggest reasons for the crime spikes by ignoring 2020

And yet by 2020 before the pandemic hit the border was all but closed. Midway through 2020 and by the end of it crime in many places was at 20-30 year highs

Come on man!

Here’s a simple question. Do you believe that flooding one’s country with millions and millions of unvetted migrants from crime infested poverty-stricken ■■■■■■■■ countries as Harris/Biden did makes the receiving country safer?

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Importing people in general doesn’t make us safer… what a weird question. Are we importing the Avengers? :rofl:

Another manufactured leftist narrative based entirely upon lies.

It is impossible for illegals to be less prone to criminal behavior than American citizens as them even being in this country IS an act of criminal behavior.

He didn’t say “importing” in that post. He said “flooding”, which is precisely what the DNC did.

Stop the switch.

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It’s a misdemeanor

A federal misdemeanor. Do you know why?

Plus if the border is closed they are confined to committing their violent criminal activity in other countries not here.

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Another word for that is crime.

And one who continues to engage in their crimes is a criminal.

Pro-criminal left strikes again!

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That’s a felon…

Yet another lie? Or just ignorance?

crime
noun
ˈkrīm
Synonyms of crime
1
: an illegal act for which someone can be punished by the government
especially : a gross violation of law
2
: a grave offense especially against morality
3
: criminal activity
efforts to fight crime
4
: something reprehensible, foolish, or disgraceful

criminal
noun [ C ]
US /ˈkrɪm.ə.nəl/ UK /ˈkrɪm.ɪ.nəl/

someone who commits a crime:

And crossing the border illegally is guess what?

A crime!