We were talking about his weight.
You know thatâs after he was moved out CECOT because of political and media pressure about his case.
ES eventually moved him to the medium security facility because of that. The propaganda video isnât what life was like at the CECOT Human Storage Facility.
This is an image from video (link below) that was the only clue that his wife had to know where he was. She IDâd him from his head scar and lion tattoo which resulted in the court filing after the Trump Administration disappeared him with no family contact and no access to legal counsel.
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So he was kicked and abused for two weeks, so much so he had visible signs, but when he was seen one week after moving he had no such signs of abuse. Amazing healing properties.
Even Van Hollen said he sensed no abuse. Guess heâs a liar now too.
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Garcia was in CECOT for 32 days. The meeting with Van Hollen was 8 days after he had been moved to Centro. In the meeting, Garcia wore a dress shirt and jeans. He didnât claim they kicked him in the face.
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Iâm just pointing out that the propaganda video you posted was about conditions AFTER political and media attention focused on Abrego Garcia. They wanted to move him to a more - ah - photogenic detainment facility.
Oh - I donât have specific dates but I think he was in their longer than 2 weeks.
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That is a military aircraft.
The US Constitution applies to the US government. Always and everywhere.
Come on!
You canât think of any way to explain that other than âtheyâre lyingâ?
Why do you feel the need to make stuff up?
Why should we believe Garcia? You donât think he has an agenda?
How does that support Garciaâs claim of abuse and starvation?
You have a better explanation? Maybe Bukele moved him out of the goodness of his heart.
The most likely explanation is Trump inc contacted their prison contractors and directed he be moved.
BTWâŚGarcia is the only known person to ever make it out of CECOT. What made him so special other than making Trump inc look bad?
Iâve gone back and reread Garciaâs civil lawsuit against the government multiple times. I found some interesting corroboration supporting my arguments.
For instance.
Garcia confirms 21 ES citizens were placed on a separate bus from the Venezuelans.
All 21 were initially housed in the same cell 15 in CECOT. They were all likely subjected to enhanced interrogation in order to figure out their gang affiliation and value to the regime.
At some point it became obvious that 13 were hard core MS-13 members and that 8 werenât. Garcia was placed in a cell with those 8. On or about April 10th, Garcia was moved to a less secure facility. We donât know what happened to the others.
This confirms the US didnât pay for the ES citizens. Bukele in his March 16th X post indicated his interest in the 21 ES citizens and stated his intention to interrogate them.
With the above evidence, with Bukeleâs statement and with Rubioâs statements it becomes obvious the US didnât pay for ES citizens to be incarcerated in El Salvador.
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It proves Trump inc alleged they were MS-13 and as such, ES kept them separate from the other prisoners for interrogation. Your assumption this proves they werenât part of payment is wishful thinking.
Weâve been over this multiple times, but letâs do it again with the new information.
Both Bukele and Rubio clearly state that existing arrangements for deportation of ES citizens to ES will continue. Those 21 ES deportees clearly would fall into this category.
Rubio outlined the details of the arrangement to deport up to 300 TdA Venezuelan gang members to 3rd country ES for $6 million. No mention was made of payment for ES illegals. There is mention of Bukeleâs request for the US to send MS-13 ES leaders. Why would the US pay to send ES citizens requested by Bukele?
Bukeleâs March 16th X post (the day after deportees arrived in ES) clearly differentiates between the two groups. He confirms the payment for 238 Venezuelan citizens. He thanks the US for sending 21 MS-13 gang members, 2 of which were prominent leaders. He then stated his intention to interrogate them. Why would he even bother if the US was explicitly paying for their incarceration?
Garcia confirms the 21 ES citizens were treated separately. They were placed on a separate bus and they were initially housed in the same cell. They were interrogated, as Bukele said they would be. Why would they do that if the US was paying for their incarceration? Were any of the Venezuelans interrogated?
At some point 8 less threatening individuals are separated into their own cell. Again, if US is paying why would they even bother?
We donât know what happened to any of the 21 ES citizens other than Garcia. We only know about him because of Van Hollenâs visit.
Thus far Iâve provided ample evidence supporting my arguments on multiple occasions. The additional comments by Garcia lend even more credence to my arguments.
Your only argument, thus far, has been that since the administration didnât specifically say they didnât pay for the 21 ES citizens; we must then assume they did. That one is a real head scratcher.
Weâll likely never know if Bukele counted them as part of the $6 million deal or not. Bukele has never said how many spots remain in the agreementâs 300 inmate limit.
Trump inc is never going to send more immigrants to CECOT because of the serious legal jeopardy this agreement has caused. The action was unconstitutional and itâs just a matter of time before it makes it to the court to determine that fact conclusively.
We already know they werenât included.
Trump sent no one to CECOT. He did deport Venezuelan illegals to 3rd country ES for payment. He likely wonât send any more, because Venezuela is now accepting their deportees.
The arrangement was not unconstitutional. Thus far you have provided nothing showing otherwise.
Accountability is coming. Whether you bury your head in the sand or not.
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Youâve been shown the applicable law at least 1,000 times. You hiding behind claims of âLW talking pointsâ doesnât change the text of the amendments or their application in Trump incâs actions.
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The US sent people to prison without due process, in violation of the Constitution.
This is true whether the ultimate prison was in the US, El Salvador, or on the Moon.
You can continue to deny it all you wish.
We will continue to have fun pointing out you are wrong.
And maybe one day you will start to question your motivations in defending Trumpâs violation of the Constitution.
I wonât hold my breath for that latter one, though.
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Why should this thread be any different? 
