The Curious Case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia (Part 2)

[Samm]

@DisturbedGuy

@Samm

@DisturbedGuy

The chips just keep falling. Trump inc has been lying the entire time and the MAGA wing CECOT contractors just sold them out. They defied and ignored court orders claiming they had no control.

Salvadoran authorities, responding to questions from the U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, said that “jurisdiction and legal responsibility” for the detainees rests solely with U.S. officials. The deportations occurred in March despite a judge’s order to halt the flights.

If they maintain jurisdiction and legal responsibility, the men they imprisoned are still protected by the constitution. Peek’s ridiculous fever dream just went up in smoke.

El Salvador Says Trump Admin Controls Migrants in Notorious CECOT Prison - Newsweek

In the opinion of the U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. That and $4 will buy you a latte at Starbucks.

Funny your first response is they are lying. It’s in the written response from El Salvador to the UN.

I said no such thing.

[Samm]

@JayJay

@Samm

@DisturbedGuy

The chips just keep falling. Trump inc has been lying the entire time and the MAGA wing CECOT contractors just sold them out. They defied and ignored court orders claiming they had no control.

Salvadoran authorities, responding to questions from the U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, said that “jurisdiction and legal responsibility” for the detainees rests solely with U.S. officials. The deportations occurred in March despite a judge’s order to halt the flights.

If they maintain jurisdiction and legal responsibility, the men they imprisoned are still protected by the constitution. Peek’s ridiculous fever dream just went up in smoke.

El Salvador Says Trump Admin Controls Migrants in Notorious CECOT Prison - Newsweek

In the opinion of the U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. That and $4 will buy you a latte at Starbucks.

You might want to read that again.

It’s not the opinion of the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights.

It’s the answers El Salvadoran officials gave him, in writing.

Are the officials from El Salvador lying?

I made no statement regarding truth or lies. What I said was that that quotation is worth nothing to the discussion as to whether García is lying or telling the truth. Just because CECOT is a terrible place (nobody here has suggested that it is not) does not prove that Garcia was being truthful about how he was treated while he was there.

[biggestal99]

@Samm

. At best it proves that there is a possibility that he’s telling the truth.

jeez its like pulling teeth.

Allan

[Samm]

@biggestal99

@Samm

. At best it proves that there is a possibility that he’s telling the truth.

jeez its like pulling teeth.

It’s simple logic Allan. Coincidence is not corroboration. All it suggests is possibility.

Quote a verified eyewitness to the abuse. Or better yet, quote the abuser(s) or show us video.

[biggestal99]

@Samm

All it suggests is possibility.

everything is possible.

i say that garcia statement has a 95% chance of being true.

what percentage do you give it, knowing what the facts of the case are.

Allan

[Samm]

@biggestal99

@Samm

All it suggests is possibility.

everything is possible.

i say that garcia statement has a 95% chance of being true.

what percentage do you give it, knowing what the facts of the case are.

There is no way for me to know. And no way for you to know either. And more importantly, no way to verify any guess on the matter that either you or I make.

The bottom line is, you believe that he’s telling the truth for no other reason than because you want to believe it. I on the other hand, don’t pretend to know. And frankly, I don’t really care one way or the other.

[WuWei]

Imagine that.

[WuWei]

That and the HRW report are corroboration.

[WuWei]

And it begins.

[WuWei]

Can you imagine the MAGA war room this morning?

Everybody looking at Miller and Homan. Noem trying to move her chair away from them.

The legal counsel shaking their heads.

[WuWei]

Party to the contract. Intimate with details and all meetings. Tsk, tsk.

[WuWei]

@Samm

@JayJay

@Samm

@DisturbedGuy

The chips just keep falling. Trump inc has been lying the entire time and the MAGA wing CECOT contractors just sold them out. They defied and ignored court orders claiming they had no control.

Salvadoran authorities, responding to questions from the U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, said that “jurisdiction and legal responsibility” for the detainees rests solely with U.S. officials. The deportations occurred in March despite a judge’s order to halt the flights.

If they maintain jurisdiction and legal responsibility, the men they imprisoned are still protected by the constitution. Peek’s ridiculous fever dream just went up in smoke.

El Salvador Says Trump Admin Controls Migrants in Notorious CECOT Prison - Newsweek

In the opinion of the U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. That and $4 will buy you a latte at Starbucks.

You might want to read that again.

It’s not the opinion of the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights.

It’s the answers El Salvadoran officials gave him, in writing.

Are the officials from El Salvador lying?

I made no statement regarding truth or lies. What I said was that that quotation is worth nothing to the discussion as to whether García is lying or telling the truth. Just because CECOT is a terrible place (nobody here has suggested that it is not) does not prove that Garcia was being truthful about how he was treated while he was there.

El Salvador already said he was treated like all the rest of them.

Why would they treat him any differently?

[WuWei]

Weak. Anemic.

[WuWei]

D⁶ for MAGA

[WuWei]

“I never said…”
“LW talking points!”
"Scenario 1 vs Scenario 2! "
“Jimmy Fallon!”
“Jon Stewart BOOM!”

[peek-a-boo]

@DisturbedGuy

The chips just keep falling. Trump inc has been lying the entire time and the MAGA wing CECOT contractors just sold them out. They defied and ignored court orders claiming they had no control.

Notice the article clearly stated Venezuelan deportees. Garcia was not a part of that deal. Thus, everything I’ve been saying about Garcia has been accurate.

In regard to the Venezuelan’s, nothing I’ve argued has been contradicted. I never really weighed in on jurisdiction of those deportees.

Having said that, I seriously doubt the US retains jurisdiction. What kind of control ES is talking about is up for interpretation. What does that really mean? The US paid for incarceration. Does that mean they get to call the shots?

[WuWei]

CD got a hold on me, really got a hold on me

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@JayJay

Are the officials from El Salvador lying?

They could be. Which officials? Are they authorized to speak for Bukele?

[WuWei]

Are you kidding?

[peek-a-boo]

@biggestal99

everything is possible.

i say that garcia statement has a 95% chance of being true.

what percentage do you give it, knowing what the facts of the case are.

Allan

I strongly suspect he was subjected to enhanced interrogation. I don’t believe he was subjected to random acts of torture.