The biggest lie from last nights debate

[Borgia_dude]

@Roxiebelle

When they are not downright lying about the booming economy, they try to give credit for the boom to the Obama Administration. They’ve got every angle of the LIES down pat! It only makes sense if you live in the toxic bubble of the liberal mind!

Meanwhile your non-toxic mind gives credit to Obama for his good economy and gives credit to Trump for his good economy, right?

I do and I am a lib.

[thinkingman]

@rolltide

@altair1013

Unemployment is way down.
Salaries are up.
Retirement plans are doing well.
Jobs are abundant.
The middle class is growing, not shrinking.
Lower and middle class salaries are growing at the fastest rate in generations.
This is the hottest economy on record.

Unemployment is down because people stopped looking for work.
Salaries are barely keeping up with the cost of living increases, which will only get worse as the tariffs continue to poison the economy.
Many retirement plans, 401k’s, etc. are NOT doing well, certainly not growing by much these days. Thanks Trump!
Low paid jobs are readily available and hard to climb out of. Thanks, orange menace!

this is crap.

sorry

you need new knowledge

[CoachMcGuirk]

@Borgia_dude

@altair1013

Liz said it. That the economy is only working for those at the top. A thinner and thinner section of people are benefiting. Completely false. An outright lie.

Unemployment is way down.
Salaries are up.
Retirement plans are doing well.
Jobs are abundant.
The middle class is growing, not shrinking.
Lower and middle class salaries are growing at the fastest rate in generations.
This is the hottest economy on record.

Liz is running against prosperity. Does she actually believe that by re-regulating business and increasing taxes the economy will be even better for the middle class? She must be high. Sometimes you just have to be wise enough not to tinker with a good thing. Liz and Cory are not.

Tinkering aside, I agree the economy is doing well right now and wish libs would just admit it.

I’ll admit it. The economy is doing well right now.

It wasn’t horrible when Trump came into office, and then he cut taxes and increased spending, adding fuel to the fire.

[madasheck]

@Borgia_dude

@madasheck

To answer some of the points in the OP:

• Unemployment is way down.
  (I suppose because low paying jobs are easy to get.)

No. All ranges of employment have seen improvement. Can you show hiring has mostly been at low wage levels primarily?

• Salaries are up.
  (See above. Not true.)

True, wages have not gone up much.

• Retirement plans are doing well.
  (I’ve seen nothing that says there’s been improvement there. Show me stats.)

Stocks haven’t gone up since Trump was elected? I just checked DJIA 2017+ and it has.

• Jobs are abundant.
  (Yeah, if you want to work at McDonald’s.)

Come on. The job market is good in a variety of sectors and salary ranges. It is a bit counfounding that wages have not gone up with that though.

According to Forbes, manufacturing jobs have gained a lot. But that’s a false flag because executives have gotten tax boosts from Trump. The article says that. “Trump’s deregulatory and tax policies have confounded his critics and benefited the American worker.” That doesn’t mean all levels of workers are benefitting. In fact, I’m guessing they’re not.

Stocks going up means retirement accounts are? I don’t see the correlation. It certainly hasn’t helped current retirees that I’ve seen.

Manufacturers Added 6 Times More Jobs Under Trump Than Under Obama's Last 2...

[party-free]

Yeah, that’s sorta what I’m seeing in my area.

Companies stubbornly refuse to raise pay by meaningful amounts, and they have a hard time finding good job candidates. Around here, they complain a lot about people not wanting to work, but I think it has more to do with wanting to be paid a fair wage for the work.

For example, an auto parts factory near my home town starts people around $9/hour. Above min wage, but that’s not even $20k/year before taxes. You can earn bonuses/hit incentives to hit 11.something/hour, but still…that’s roughly 23k/year.

You’d think welders around here would be starting at more than 12/hour but nope, 12/hour.

Trickle up economics. Squeeze workers for the absolute most productivity for the least amount of $$ while executive pay/bonuses continually increase.

I say all of this with no insinuation that the government should do anything about it.

[westaussie]

Just had a quick search to see what fabricators/welders would be paid in my home city of Perth, Western Australia. The quoted average hourly rate was $32.55.

[party-free]

For my state, the average pay for a fabricator/welder is about $16/hour.

[altair1013]

@W_and_C

States with the highest poverty rates in the country are almost without exception all those that consistently elect Republicans:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/states-with-the-highest-poverty-rates-in-the-us

• Tennessee.
• South Carolina.
• Oklahoma.
• Arkansas.
• Alabama.
• Kentucky.
• West Virginia.
• New Mexico
• Louisiana
• Mississippi

But it’s not because of a bad economy. The economy is better than it has been in your lifetime. It’s because the people in poverty do absolutely nothing to get out. They don’t bother to prepare for life. They do nothing to develop the skills that employers want. And large numbers of them would rather sit around collect welfare and get stoned on Meth or Heroin. The jobs are available in abundance.

[mobulis]

@Roxiebelle

@H_Arendt

There is reason to crow about the successes where Trump has continued the positive trends that began in the Obama years (employment and stock market, for instance)

There is that liberal lie again. that any positive results are because of Obama, PULEESE, there was no positive trends during the “lost years” of the previous Administration.

Simply overturning Obama’s choking regulations unleashed the economy almost immediately, once Obama’s boot was removed from the neck of businesses the stock market exploded and is still going strong.

So we didn’t go from losing jobs at the start of Obama’s term to gaining jobs toward’s the end?

[Borgia_dude]

@madasheck

According to Forbes, manufacturing jobs have gained a lot. But that’s a false flag because executives have gotten tax boosts from Trump. The article says that.

My point was the employment rate has improved in all ranges of experience. Agreed wages are fairly stagnant. I think your link agreed.

@madasheck

Stocks going up means retirement accounts are? I don’t see the correlation. It certainly hasn’t helped current retirees that I’ve seen.

Most 401k’s are in mutual funds which are in the stock market, no?

[SimplyTrying]

@party-free

Yeah, that’s sorta what I’m seeing in my area…….
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I say all of this with no insinuation that the government should do anything about it.

There is a guy I work with who has to work full time here plus work for Uber and Lift and night just to eat. Granted his problems are self made: garnished child support and other issues, but the local Government is being unreasonable imo taking so much that he has to work 3 jobs to live.

[altair1013]

@mobulis

So we didn’t go from losing jobs at the start of Obama’s term to gaining jobs toward’s the end?

You are missing the point. She is not saying that Obama gets credit for the economy. She is saying that the economy is bad. And that is a lie.

[mobulis]

@altair1013

@mobulis

So we didn’t go from losing jobs at the start of Obama’s term to gaining jobs toward’s the end?

You are missing the point. She is not saying that Obama gets credit for the economy. She is saying that the economy is bad. And that is a lie.

Roxie said:there was no positive trends during the “lost years” of the previous Administration.

This is not true.

[NuffSaid]

@altair1013

@W_and_C

States with the highest poverty rates in the country are almost without exception all those that consistently elect Republicans:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/states-with-the-highest-poverty-rates-in-the-us

• Tennessee.
• South Carolina.
• Oklahoma.
• Arkansas.
• Alabama.
• Kentucky.
• West Virginia.
• New Mexico
• Louisiana
• Mississippi

But it’s not because of a bad economy. The economy is better than it has been in your lifetime. It’s because the people in poverty do absolutely nothing to get out. They don’t bother to prepare for life. They do nothing to develop the skills that employers want. And large numbers of them would rather sit around collect welfare and get stoned on Meth or Heroin. The jobs are available in abundance.

This is Republican non-sense that has been peddled by the CEC for years - Those in poverty and on welfare are lazy.

[altair1013]

@mobulis

Roxie said:there was no positive trends during the “lost years” of the previous Administration.

This is not true.

Then you are both off topic. The democratic candidates are claiming that the economy is bad. Period. I am showing that it is not.

[NuffSaid]

@mobulis

@Roxiebelle

@H_Arendt

There is reason to crow about the successes where Trump has continued the positive trends that began in the Obama years (employment and stock market, for instance)

There is that liberal lie again. that any positive results are because of Obama, PULEESE, there was no positive trends during the “lost years” of the previous Administration.

Simply overturning Obama’s choking regulations unleashed the economy almost immediately, once Obama’s boot was removed from the neck of businesses the stock market exploded and is still going strong.

So we didn’t go from losing jobs at the start of Obama’s term to gaining jobs toward’s the end?

Nope, on January 20, 2017 at 11:59am - The US was on fire and on the brink of becoming a 4th world country with anarchy. In fact, actual unemployment was 42%. The Dow Jones was at 1.
On January 20th, 2017 at 12:00pm when Trump was being sworn in, suddenly unemployment dropped to just over 4%, jobs re-surged and the Dow jumped to 19K.

It clearly was a miracle.

[NuffSaid]

They are saying the economy is not great for middle and lower class Americans. They are saying that the upper class gained the most from the tax cuts and this 30+ year lie of trickle down economics just isn’t working.

[altair1013]

@NuffSaid

This is Republican non-sense that has been peddled by the CEC for years - Those in poverty and on welfare are lazy.

You are partially correct. Here is a nearly complete list.

Some are:

Lazy
High school drop outs
Drug users
Did not bother to prepare for life. Aka develop career skills.
Criminal records.
Lock themselves in to poverty by having children too young with absentee fathers.

Those are your root causes. If you don’t fall in to this group, then there is no reason to be living in poverty. There are millions of unfilled jobs waiting for you.

[SimplyTrying]

Have you ever been a minority? Because I don’t see that on your list.

[Scratch]

But whats the real unemployment number?