There hasn’t been any real reason for us to be there since 2004 and truthfully, we barely are there now.
Now, pulling out of Germany … THAT would be something.
Petty much the ring road will collapse in the next 5 years and with it the country.
The was was about removing bin laden and his organization. Afghanistan was given months to do so before any US forces were involved. Had the Afghan government captures Bin Laden and his organization, removed them from the country, or invited US troops in there to get rid of him, there would and could have been no reason or excuse for the US to be involved.
They had the chance.
AQ was destroyed in Afghanistan in a matter of weeks. major combat forces operation was to remove the Taliban and install a stable government
Yes…and if the Taliban gov’t had simply gotten rid of Bin Laden and his organization, none of that would have happened.
Not sure if this isn’t sort of wandering from the subject at had though.
Some of the fights we got in to were with people who didn’t want us in their village because they didn’t want the taliban there. If they fight with the taliban like they did with us, they’re gonna be just fine.
Taliban tried to make a deal with the U.S but they refused.
Please provide the details of this, and what the terms were to be, and when this was made.
U.S wouldn’t accept any term outside of complete surrender of AQ. Most of the Taliban wanted to surrender AQ to Pakistan but the U.S refused this offer.
Which is kinda of funny seeing how the AQ leadership lived in Pakistan for most of the war.
The terms as I recall were to hand over Bin Laden and expel Al Quaeda. Afghanistan kept demanding proof of Bin Laden’s guilt, which was of course nonsense and delay.
They offered to send them to Pakistan, but the U.S refused mostly because senior DOD/WH knew Pakistan was allied with them.
U.S. President George W. Bush demanded that the Taliban hand over Osama bin Laden and expel al-Qaeda; bin Laden had already been wanted by the FBI since 1998. The Taliban declined to extradite him unless given what they deemed convincing evidence of his involvement in the 9/11 attacks[5] and ignored demands to shut down terrorist bases and hand over other terrorist suspects apart from bin Laden. The request was dismissed by the U.S. as a meaningless delaying tactic and it launched Operation Enduring Freedom on 7 October 2001 with the United Kingdom
On 1 October, Mullah Omar agreed to a proposal by Qazi Hussain Ahmad, the head of Pakistan’s most important Islamic party, the Jamaat-i-Islami, to have bin Laden taken to Pakistan where he would be held under house arrest in Peshawar by that party and tried by an international tribunal within the framework of sharia law. The proposal was said to have bin Laden’s approval. Pakistan’s president Pervez Musharraf blocked the plan because he could not guarantee bin Laden’s safety.[80] On 2 October, Zaeef appealed to the United States to negotiate, “We do not want to compound the problems of the people, the country or the region.” He pleaded, “the Afghan people need food, need aid, need shelter, not war.” However he reiterated that bin Laden would not be turned over to anyone unless evidence was presented
On 11 October Bush told the Taliban “You still have a second chance. Just bring him in, and bring his leaders and lieutenants and other thugs and criminals with him.”[91] On 14 October, Abdul Kabir, the Taliban’s third ranking leader, offered to hand over bin Laden to a neutral third country if the U.S. government provided evidence of his guilt and halted the bombing campaign. He apparently did not respond to the demand to hand over other suspected terrorists apart from bin Laden. President Bush rejected the offer as non-negotiable.[92] On 16 October, Muttawakil, the Taliban foreign minister floated a compromise offer that dropped the demand for evidence.[93] However, Muttawakil was not part of the Taliban’s inner circle, he wanted the bombing to stop so that he could try to persuade Mullah Omar to adopt a compromise
Thank you for your service.
It demonstrates how malleable people are.
It’s the Milgram experiment but in real life - my authority figure says X. I now believe X.
The good old days.
They’ve been doing it for a thousand years.
Nope. Thats not proof. Nope, not proof yet. That isn’t proof…Nope, as far as we know Bin Laden is as pure as the new snow.
