Still a bit confused on the whole abortion/constitution issue?

[zantax]

@JayJay

You’re not forcing your opinion on people in California, nor are people in California forcing their opinion on you.

The opinion of the majority is getting forced on those who live in Virginia that think differently, and in a way that disproportionately affects women.

The question becomes like the OPer asked…is this really an issue that should be decided by majority rules or by legislative fiat?

If so, why? Give reasons why…on THIS issue.

This isn’t about being afraid of republican (small letter) or democratic processes.

Not just this issue, every power that is reserved to the states and people.

[zantax]

@Eagle-Keeper

@komobu

@zantax

You are asking the wrong guy, I don’t support a total ban with no exceptions.

I dont either. Off the top of my head, I can see exceptions for Rape, Incest, and pregnancy under the age of 14, or even defects in the pregnancy that cold lead to a child being stillborn.

Regardless of my feelings, I in Virginia shouldnt be able to force my views on people in California. Nor should people in California be able to force their views on people in Virginia.

Leave it up to the voters in the states to decide what is good for their states.

Why are people so afraid of democracy?

Here’s a question. Is it possible that the SCOTUS decision be as follows: abortion is to remain legal yet each state can put their own limits on it? That would seem like a logical compromise.

They can’t say Roe is overturned because it’s not a federal question and then impose a top down federal ruling like that.

[Konssurvative1]

@Eagle-Keeper

As I’ve thought about this it would seem that the pressing question is whether or not the unborn child can legitimately be considered a human or not, and exactly who gets to decide that? Am I really far off?

Maybe at one time. But now the real pressing question is who gets to decide. The woman or the government?

[WuWei]

@JayJay

The question becomes like the OPer asked…is this really an issue that should be decided by majority rules or by legislative fiat?

If not, then how?

[WuWei]

Nobody “swore” anything to you. Stop posting like a chick.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

You’re not forcing your opinion on people in California, nor are people in California forcing their opinion on you.

Mmmm. I don’t think I agree with that.

@JayJay

and in a way that disproportionately affects women.

What?

[Eagle-Keeper]

@SixFoot

@Eagle-Keeper

Doesn’t it seem like an odd outcome in which from state to state there are completely different laws designating what a human or person is?

It’s wrong, but not odd. I (likely) have certain freedoms that you don’t, and we live in the same country. Always been that way.

It’s clearly on a different level than say deciding whether marijuana should be legal or not.

[WuWei]

@Auto129

Why should someone in rural Virginia be able to force their views on someone in suburban virginia? Or someone down the block. Making it more local doesn’t make it any more moral. It’s just unchains local authoritarians to get into a woman’s business.

Because that’s how 'mocracy works. You© sure don’t seem to have a problem with it about other things.

[WuWei]

@Auto129

@WuWei

Abortion is not a right.

That word, abortion, was not in my post.

Forcing someone to give birth against their will violates their rights.

Which rights?

[SixFoot]

@Eagle-Keeper

@SixFoot

@Eagle-Keeper

Doesn’t it seem like an odd outcome in which from state to state there are completely different laws designating what a human or person is?

It’s wrong, but not odd. I (likely) have certain freedoms that you don’t, and we live in the same country. Always been that way.

It’s clearly on a different level than say deciding whether marijuana should be legal or not.

It’s also different than not needing a permit to carry concealed, and that’s yet another freedom I have that most other citizens don’t.

[WuWei]

@Eagle-Keeper

Here’s a question. Is it possible that the SCOTUS decision be as follows: abortion is to remain legal yet each state can put their own limits on it? That would seem like a logical compromise.

The 14th is a problem with that. It is the hodgepodgery Thomas was lamenting about with marijuana laws.

How are you going to address mobility?

[Eagle-Keeper]

@zantax

@Eagle-Keeper

Here’s a question. Is it possible that the SCOTUS decision be as follows: abortion is to remain legal yet each state can put their own limits on it? That would seem like a logical compromise.

They can’t say Roe is overturned because it’s not a federal question and then impose a top down federal ruling like that.

But what exactly did Roe say? Abortion anytime for any reason? Did Roe outlaw ALL restrictions on abortion for the entire pregnancy?

[JayJay]

I’m not the one agreeing with such restrictive laws that disproportionately affect women. That’s the RW GOP of today doing that.

So I’m asking if it’s all about protecting the unborn and caring about children, why is no one in the RW GOP proposing such laws as I have mentioned?

[WuWei]

@Konssurvative1

Maybe at one time. But now the real pressing question is who gets to decide. The woman or the government?

That is always the question. And I’ll go further; whose government?

[SixFoot]

@zantax

And I will be active in determining what abortion law we pass, in my state.

Same here. I look forward to voting on it via Constitutional Referendum.

[TommyLucchese]

@WuWei

Stop posting like a chick.

[JayJay]

@WuWei

@Eagle-Keeper

Here’s a question. Is it possible that the SCOTUS decision be as follows: abortion is to remain legal yet each state can put their own limits on it? That would seem like a logical compromise.

The 14th is a problem with that. It is the hodgepodgery Thomas was lamenting about with marijuana laws.

How are you going to address mobility?

Mobility might be the doorway through which Congress tries to enter the fray, especially if states pass restrictions that will punish a person who goes across state lines to where abortion is less restricted in order to have one.

Which, if I am not mistaken, some of the states are planning.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

disproportionately affect

Dog whistle.

@JayJay

So I’m asking if it’s all about protecting the unborn and caring about children, why is no one in the RW GOP proposing such laws as I have mentioned?

Because legalized abortion disproportionately affects men. You can’t have it both ways. If it’s her body her choice; she bears the cost and responsibility for her choice.

[conan]

@Sknyluv

Not if the GOP gets their way.

This is why there can’t be any honest discussion to valid question that OP presented.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@Konssurvative1

@Eagle-Keeper

As I’ve thought about this it would seem that the pressing question is whether or not the unborn child can legitimately be considered a human or not, and exactly who gets to decide that? Am I really far off?

Maybe at one time. But now the real pressing question is who gets to decide. The woman or the government?

Hasn’t the government already declared who are persons or not already in some form or another?