Smyrna
July 10, 2020, 12:39pm
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wonderingrover:
Atlanta isn’t burning and murders aren’t at 2x their historic records. Crime ebbs and flows, and there is a police force to deal with it. If things get out of hand, then the mayor has the option to escalate and request the governor bring in more aid as needed. There are plenty of well trained police departments in neighboring towns.
NEW YORK — At least 48 people were shot within a 24-hour span on Sunday, capping off a violent Fourth of July weekend, police said. Among those shot, 10 of them were fatal. Since Friday, there were…
Both shootings and murders rose by at least 75% in June 2020, compared to the same month last year, according to police statistics.
This is the current state of affairs across the country, in liberal run cities. Why deny the truth?
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Smyrna:
wonderingrover:
Atlanta isn’t burning and murders aren’t at 2x their historic records. Crime ebbs and flows, and there is a police force to deal with it. If things get out of hand, then the mayor has the option to escalate and request the governor bring in more aid as needed. There are plenty of well trained police departments in neighboring towns.
Violent Sunday in NYC: 48 shot, 10 fatally, in span of 24 hours, police say | PIX11
Gun violence spikes in Atlanta amid debate over police brutality
Both shootings and murders rose by at least 75% in June 2020, compared to the same month last year, according to police statistics.
June crime stats: Murders, shootings up, overall crime down halfway through 2020 - Chicago Sun-Times
After 3 shootings Thursday, 50 kids have been shot in St. Louis this year
St. Louis news: 50 children shot in 2020 in the city | June 18 | ksdk.com
This is the current state of affairs across the country, in liberal run cities. Why deny the truth?
I wasn’t discussing all of those cities. I was discussing Atlanta. If other cities need help, they can always request it from their governor. It should be handled between the mayor and the governor before anyone even thinks about requesting help from the national government. If and only if such help is requested from the federal government should get involved, unless the crime is of a nature that breaks federal law.
Put down an insurrection maybe?
komobu
July 10, 2020, 12:48pm
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WorldWatcher:
For a law and order President to ignore the law? Yes, he should not be taking federal action unless the State requests help.
If you have a problem with Atlanta, Minneapolis, etc. - the problem is with the State and if they can’t handle it - ask for assistance.
It would take no longer then an hour for the Governor to (a) call up the National Guard, and (b) transmit a request to the White House for centgov assistance.
Remember the unlawful intervention of President Trump now, will be the basis for future Presidents to unlawful interfere with internal State matters when a different President is in office.
What do you do when the governor is abdicating his/her responsibility and using the destruction as a political tool?
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None.
If the State can’t handle it follow the law. Request help.
Remember President Trump claims to be the LAW & ORDER President.
Do you support him violating the law?
No different than Trump using protests, destruction, as a political tool.
So answer to your question, the State Legislature passes a request. If the Governor vetos it, the Legislature can over-ride the veto and the request goes through.
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Gee. It’s almost like this stuff DOESN’T happen in a vacuum or something? Who’d have thought?
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Not a problem. Follow the law.
The President needs no permissions from anyone to enforce the law.
No problem with that. If they are on Federal property and causing damage, prosecute them to the fullest extend of the law.
Now from federal law:
It’s a felony to use federal military forces as a posse committals to enforce law.
Such an act, being a felony would be an impeachable offese.
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Dear President Trump, please use the military illegally in violation of United States Code. Pretty please.
AZslim
July 10, 2020, 1:08pm
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trump just said “law enforcement”. Are you ok with a president making these kind of threats?
I think he was talking about the FBI, not the military. In the case of the FBI, they would still need to have jurisdiction. I’m sure someone will come along any minute and point out the Federal law that was violated giving them jurisdiction.
AZslim
July 10, 2020, 1:09pm
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Do you think it’s to that point right now?
AZslim
July 10, 2020, 1:11pm
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Ben_Natuf:
WorldWatcher:
On federal property, sure.
To manage protests on non-federal property? Only when requested by the State Executive for assistance. You now, the way the law is written now.
Who said anything about managing protests?
There is no law preventing federal law enforcement from enforcing federal laws anywhere in the country.
The CHOP insurrectionists were not protesting, they were preventing property owners from legitimate use of their property. There is a federal right to property, inherent in that right is the right to use it for profit and gain. Being occupied by an insurrectionist army prevents that. The President doesn’t need local permission to send the FBI in to arrest them. These morons were armed, defending a “border” they created, and declared themselves autonomous. If he sent the Army in to put down the insurrection, I agree, he needs the locals to ask. If he sends the FBI in to arrest the criminals… no, he doesn’t need permission for that.
His wording seems to indicate he won’t ask.
WorldWatcher:
No problem with that. If they are on Federal property and causing damage, prosecute them to the fullest extend of the law.
Now from federal law:
It’s a felony to use federal military forces as a posse committals to enforce law.
Such an act, being a felony would be an impeachable offese.
.
Dear President Trump, please use the military illegally in violation of United States Code. Pretty please.
See, now your just making up stuff and attributing it to me?
The laws I posted are NOT limited to federal property. They are federal law enforceable by federal law enforcement anywhere in the nation. I said NOTHING about using military forces. I said, send the FBI in to arrest them. The President needs NO permission to enforce federal law.
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Enforcing the laws he’s sworn to enforce is a threat?
That’s some funny ■■■■ there.
Ben_Natuf:
WorldWatcher:
No problem with that. If they are on Federal property and causing damage, prosecute them to the fullest extend of the law.
Now from federal law:
It’s a felony to use federal military forces as a posse committals to enforce law.
Such an act, being a felony would be an impeachable offese.
.
Dear President Trump, please use the military illegally in violation of United States Code. Pretty please.
See, now your just making up stuff and attributing it to me?
The laws I posted are NOT limited to federal property. They are federal law enforceable by federal law enforcement anywhere in the nation. I said NOTHING about using military forces. I said, send the FBI in to arrest them. The President needs NO permission to enforce federal law.
Ahhh…
We know what he meant so now you mince words.
OK, call in federal law enforcement and have at it.
To call in the military he needs a request from the States or he commits a felony.
Speaking at the Rose Garden of the White House, Trump derided governors for not acting more harshly against demonstrators, and said he was deploying “heavily armed” soldiers and federal police in Washington to quell protests.
“I am mobilizing all federal and local resources, civilian and military, to protect the rights of law abiding Americans,” Trump said, citing the Insurrection Act of 1807. “Today I have strongly recommended to every governor to deploy the National Guard in sufficient numbers that we dominate the streets. Mayors and governors must establish an overwhelming presence until the violence is quelled.”
“If a city or state refuses to take the actions necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them,” he said.
Camp
July 10, 2020, 1:21pm
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The governor could override a poor decision if people feel threatened by lawlessness.
I am still hoping they catch the miscreant that burned the Wendy’s down. That was a ■■■■ move.
The funny ■■■■ right right is the ideal of committing a felony to enforce the law by the LAW & ORDER President.
tnt
July 10, 2020, 1:22pm
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LOL.
Should the WH just sit back and watch as states fight for PPE and test kits?
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I don’t think he read what he posted either, it clearly states the Feds can’t get involved unless there’s an Interstate commerce issue. While the courts in Seattle are still operating, there is no “state of lawlessness” either. If the local government chooses not to enforce the law, the Federal Government can’t force them to. Not until the entire government breaks down, which it clearly hasn’t. Not even close. Doesn’t keep some people from having pipe dreams about forcefully putting down imagined insurrection, which this isn’t either.
