If getting an ID is too complicated, then having a vote is too. “Case closed.”
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No reason not to make it free and easy. Unless the real goal is to limit voting.
I certainly do not mind making a voter ID easy to get upon proof you are who you say you are. I want ALL legal voters to be able to vote. It’s the FRAUD I want stopped and you should too, if you aren’t fraudulent? Are you?
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It would be so ezpz to repost what you conclude is the answer but…you haven’t been able to do that. Why? Answer…cuz it doesn’t exist.
Potential fraud… you want potential fraud stopped. Just to be clear.
But yes I agree make it free and easy… and if it reduces the potential of fraud.. then that solves a lot of concerns expressed by conservatives.
Win win
So we agree that voter ID is a necessary component to stop potential voter fraud and you’re on board now…correct? Win/win?
I don’t think it’s necessary but I’m not against it if it’s free and easy.
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Progs don’t say the same about the second amendment.
If we go by your rules I should not have to pay for an id to purchase a firearm.
I should not have to pay for a background check to purchase a gun.
I should have not had to pay hundreds of dollars and take a class to carry a gun concealed. There should be no additional burden placed on me to purchase a gun.
I should be able to own whatever gun I chose, and the government has no right to tell what gun I can own. It should cost me nothing more than the price of the gun. It is my right to own a gun and I should not have to pay for that right.
Prog gun laws have placed undue burden on eligible gun owners who want to own a gun and cannot due to prog laws. Prog laws disenfranchise more gun owners and always will than crimes they prevent.
Progs are not interested in preventing gun deaths or they would offer free IDs and get rid of every gun law on the books.
Progs do not care bout stopping deaths. If they did, they would do something about mental health and punishing criminals instead of just punishing law abiding citizens.
Progs use gun deaths to gin up their base and punish those who don’t vote for them.
If progs really cared about ID’s to vote they would be offering solutions instead of just pointing at the other side of the aisle and saying these people are evil they don’t want you to vote.
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Bullcrap.
You have no problem forcing me to provide an ID to when purchasing a gun.
Funny you can’t see past the end of your nose that forcing me to provide an ID for the constitutional right to purchase a gun is the same as forcing me to provide an id for the constitutional right to vote. Both are rights and one even says that the right shall not be infringed on by the government.
And since most conservatives note that it is an impediment 2A, they should be arguing it will be an impediment to exercising the right to vote as well…right?
Depends.
Do you need a Real ID that requires proof of citizenship in order to purchase a firearm or get a concealed carry license?
You all keep falling back on the red herring argument that the people you are arguing with are resisting needing a photo ID to vote.
No one is doing so (I should say hardly anyone, because I haven’t read all the posts, so maybe someone is).
What they are pointing are the requirements that a CERTAIN kind of ID is required, and the steps needed to get it, can prove to be an overly large burden for many voters (some estimates are up to 21 million people, including the elderly and members of the military away overseas.
Additionally there are other measures prescribed by the SAVE Act around the periodic purging of voter rolls…not that this shouldn’t happen, but again, that the purges should be based on data sets known to be of low quality and unreliable (such as happened in Georgia a few years ago).
*Make getting Real IDs easy and free- the costs would be minimal to the government
*Make management of voter databases sensible and based on reliable high quality data
*Do it in such a way the preserves remote/mail in balloting as a viable option
Do these things, then yes, most people here would say they are for voters being required to produce IDs.
THIS is the argument being made.
Any response that comes back as “You just don’t want Voter IDs because you’re a stinking LIB who wants to allow cheating because LIBs can’t win without cheating” will simply show to me that said respondent is unable to discuss this matter seriously because they are stuck in their unreality bubble where they think MAGA values are popular, and MAGAs only lose becaue they are being cheated out of office.
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The BC is leftist progressive so not so reliable IMO.
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Are you licensed firearm dealer?
No, I am not an FFL nor a C&R.
Or in libs case…ability to cheat.
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Than I call Bullcrap that you can have firearm delivered to your door. All online guns has to go through firearm dealer. You need to complete 4473 form and pass your background check at the dealer.
Only thing in my mind you can ship it to yourself once you legally pass the background check.
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All oppositiom against voter id went the of the dodo after the COVID restrictions mask and vaccination mandates
The argument that if you want to travel (an inalienable protected by the first amendment) that you should have to go get stuck with a needle destroys all arguments against voter id.
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Are you having trouble reading?
I’m ok with ID, so long as it’s free and easy.
Also, how much cheating has happened due to not checking ID at the poll?
Yep and they are often lost during transfer from ship to ship just like regular mail. They often arrive late and are not counted.
I am sure you thought you had me there… sorry, not sorry.