Should injuries from employer-mandated vaccinations be considered work-related injuries?

Bill.in.PA · July 30, 2021, 1:24am

The COVID death rates have gone to almost nothing. The number of deaths from vaccines is greater than from COVID at this point. The Delta variant appears to be evolving into a natural vaccination. The risk of vaccinated people dying from exposure from a unvaccinated is virtually zero.

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If the vaccinations are so safe, then the government should remove the liability exemptions for manufacturers and employers immediately. Actions speak louder than words.

Paul_Do · July 30, 2021, 1:25am

No one should force you into getting vaccinated, but companies should be able to fire anyone who doesn’t. Problem solved

Bill.in.PA · July 30, 2021, 1:26am

I agree so long as the employers are also liable for vaccination injuries.

TheDoctorIsIn · July 30, 2021, 1:27am

No, this is incorrect. The employer is only liable if the employee caused the accident, driving from one customer to the next.

TheDoctorIsIn · July 30, 2021, 1:28am

This just isn’t how liability works.

Bill.in.PA · July 30, 2021, 1:29am

The point is that the worker is not liable.

The same should be true for employer-mandated vaccinations. If someone suffers permanent heart damage or nerve damage that is related to the vaccine, they employer should be liable.

TheDoctorIsIn · July 30, 2021, 1:40am

That’s not the point of respondeat superior. You’ve got it backwards. It doesn’t absolve the employee of liability.

If Bob the UPS guy hits me with his truck, I could sue him - but if he was working at the time, I could also sue UPS instead, and they’ve almost certainly got deeper pockets. It doesn’t work as a defense.

TheDoctorIsIn · July 30, 2021, 1:42am

To put it another way - if Warren Buffett decided to start working for UPS tomorrow, and hit me with a truck on the job, I could absolutely sue him instead of UPS.

Bill.in.PA · July 30, 2021, 1:55am

Employers are liable for work-related injuries. Injuries from an employer-mandated vaccine should qualify.

The reports that the Biden Administration has been quietly changing the rules to screw workers should raise giant red flags.

TheDoctorIsIn · July 30, 2021, 1:57am

Eh, yes and no. Workman’s Comp is complicated.

What “reports?”

Bill.in.PA · July 30, 2021, 2:02am

See the Townhall link in the OP. They apparently changed the policy back in May.

TheDoctorIsIn · July 30, 2021, 2:06am

OSHA reporting rules have nothing to do with liability.

Steel-W0LF · July 30, 2021, 11:15pm

Supreme_War_Pig:

Bill.in.PA:

Yes, lawsuits cost money. So do deaths and disabilities from vaccine-related injuries.

If the vaccines are provably safe, then the liability costs should be minimal.

If the safety of the vaccines are unknown, then why should average working people get stuck with all costs from policies created by governments and large corporations?

Counterpoint: why should average working people be placed in peril of a potentially deadly disease by unvaccinated co-workers?

And more generally speaking, why do non vaxxers think their decisions give them the right to endanger fellow citizens? Why should a non vaxxers rights trump my rights?

Clearly, there is tension between these two points of view, and I personally think we should err on the side of public health.

Counter-counter point:

Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. If it works, you are not at risk from unvaccinated co-workers. If it doesn’t work why require it in the first place.

Guvnah · July 30, 2021, 11:37pm

As far as I’m concerned, this is a non-issue looking for conflict.

If you get sick, you get sick days. Long-term gets disability coverage. MANDATED by the company? A good company wouldn’t fight against calling it a work-related illness.

Just my opinion.

Supreme_War_Pig · July 30, 2021, 11:39pm

Steel-W0LF:

Supreme_War_Pig:

Bill.in.PA:

Yes, lawsuits cost money. So do deaths and disabilities from vaccine-related injuries.

If the vaccines are provably safe, then the liability costs should be minimal.

If the safety of the vaccines are unknown, then why should average working people get stuck with all costs from policies created by governments and large corporations?

Counterpoint: why should average working people be placed in peril of a potentially deadly disease by unvaccinated co-workers?

And more generally speaking, why do non vaxxers think their decisions give them the right to endanger fellow citizens? Why should a non vaxxers rights trump my rights?

Clearly, there is tension between these two points of view, and I personally think we should err on the side of public health.

Counter-counter point:

Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. If it works, you are not at risk from unvaccinated co-workers. If it doesn’t work why require it in the first place.

C’mon man. No vaccination is 100% effective and you know it. The idea is to vaccinate enough people to inhibit the spread

I think it was @Jezcoe who pointed out in another thread that the measles vaccination is 93 to 97% effective, but we don’t see 3 to 7% of the population affected by measles because almost everybody is vaccinated

Steel-W0LF · July 31, 2021, 12:09am

Supreme_War_Pig:

Steel-W0LF:

Supreme_War_Pig:

Bill.in.PA:

Yes, lawsuits cost money. So do deaths and disabilities from vaccine-related injuries.

If the vaccines are provably safe, then the liability costs should be minimal.

If the safety of the vaccines are unknown, then why should average working people get stuck with all costs from policies created by governments and large corporations?

Counterpoint: why should average working people be placed in peril of a potentially deadly disease by unvaccinated co-workers?

And more generally speaking, why do non vaxxers think their decisions give them the right to endanger fellow citizens? Why should a non vaxxers rights trump my rights?

Clearly, there is tension between these two points of view, and I personally think we should err on the side of public health.

Counter-counter point:

Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. If it works, you are not at risk from unvaccinated co-workers. If it doesn’t work why require it in the first place.

C’mon man. No vaccination is 100% effective and you know it. The idea is to vaccinate enough people to inhibit the spread

I think it was @Jezcoe who pointed out in another thread that the measles vaccination is 93 to 97% effective, but we don’t see 3 to 7% of the population affected by measles because almost everybody is vaccinated

Ok. Then why mask?

Supreme_War_Pig · July 31, 2021, 12:16am

Steel-W0LF:

Supreme_War_Pig:

Steel-W0LF:

Supreme_War_Pig:

Bill.in.PA:

Yes, lawsuits cost money. So do deaths and disabilities from vaccine-related injuries.

If the vaccines are provably safe, then the liability costs should be minimal.

If the safety of the vaccines are unknown, then why should average working people get stuck with all costs from policies created by governments and large corporations?

Counterpoint: why should average working people be placed in peril of a potentially deadly disease by unvaccinated co-workers?

And more generally speaking, why do non vaxxers think their decisions give them the right to endanger fellow citizens? Why should a non vaxxers rights trump my rights?

Clearly, there is tension between these two points of view, and I personally think we should err on the side of public health.

Counter-counter point:

Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. If it works, you are not at risk from unvaccinated co-workers. If it doesn’t work why require it in the first place.

C’mon man. No vaccination is 100% effective and you know it. The idea is to vaccinate enough people to inhibit the spread

I think it was @Jezcoe who pointed out in another thread that the measles vaccination is 93 to 97% effective, but we don’t see 3 to 7% of the population affected by measles because almost everybody is vaccinated

Ok. Then why mask?

…to prevent the spread. Look, I hate masking as much as the next guy, but I hate the pandemic even more, and am willing to endure this minor inconvenience to help make it go away.