Should 11-year-old girls have to bear their rapists' babies? Ohio says yes

[Jezcoe]

@Paul_Thomson

In the middle of winter someone breaks into your house assaults you, steals your money, escapes into the night. You come to and dress your wounds and find the home invader has left a baby in your kitchen. You are snowed in, the lines are down and you have no way of safely getting the baby to some other minder. Should you be excused if you kill the baby, chop it up and flush it down the toilet because it’s going to disrupt your lifestyle for a few months.

Yes?

No… I mean no!!!

But…

Wait… what was the question?

[Paul_Thomson]

Awkward, isn’t it?

[mobiusptc]

@Jezcoe

@Paul_Thomson

In the middle of winter someone breaks into your house assaults you, steals your money, escapes into the night. You come to and dress your wounds and find the home invader has left a baby in your kitchen. You are snowed in, the lines are down and you have no way of safely getting the baby to some other minder. Should you be excused if you kill the baby, chop it up and flush it down the toilet because it’s going to disrupt your lifestyle for a few months.

Yes?

No… I mean no!!!

But…

Wait… what was the question?

well that escalated quickly

[Jezcoe]

@Paul_Thomson

Awkward, isn’t it?

No… not really.

The answer is of course no, because the baby is a baby outside of the womb and the law and most moral philosophies are pretty clear.

The comparison has nothing to do with the abortion debate which is about the shifting rights of two people inhabiting the same body during nine months. At some point the fetus develops enough that it rights do come into play but … and this used to be true for both sides of the the debate but has shifted for some people over time… that the fetus’s rights are secondary to the safety of the mother.

Roe V Wade set out a compromise between the moral argument that life is sacred… and I do believe that the the pro life crowd has the moral high ground on this… and that a woman has autonomy over her own body… also a moral argument.

So to try to compare a blastocyst to a fully formed baby is silly and has nothing to do with the debate at hand.

[mobiusptc]

@7ranz

@Konssurvative1

How many times does the NA religious beliefs largely entail anything other than the infringement of land rights, as opposed to life and death medical issues.

I believe that many Native tribes would consider the DAP or other abuses of their land as a life or death issues (they’re right of course).

Nevertheless, none of this justifies treating Native religious objections differently than Christian religious objections.

EDIT: Christina religions is a funny typo.

all hail Wednesday!

[Paul_Thomson]

At what point in the pregnancy is Ohio insisting the girl keep the foetus?

[Jezcoe]

@Paul_Thomson

At what point in the pregnancy is Ohio insisting the girl keep the foetus?

They are setting the limit to a heartbeat before a heart has developed.

So one that is not rooted in reality.

[Paul_Thomson]

But it’s not a blastocyst any more.

[Jezcoe]

@Paul_Thomson

But it’s not a blastocyst any more.

Okay… got me. It’s an embryo.

It does look like this though.

No heart for a heartbeat. There is a fetal pole and electrical activity along the yolk sack.

No where near being a fully formed human.

[7ranz]

@Jezcoe

@Paul_Thomson

In the middle of winter someone breaks into your house assaults you, steals your money, escapes into the night. You come to and dress your wounds and find the home invader has left a baby in your kitchen. You are snowed in, the lines are down and you have no way of safely getting the baby to some other minder. Should you be excused if you kill the baby, chop it up and flush it down the toilet because it’s going to disrupt your lifestyle for a few months.

Yes?

No… I mean no!!!

But…

Wait… what was the question?

lol

That was great.

[Samm]

@Ex-Pat

It won’t help the women potentially thrown in jail because of this law.

Do you mean like the laws against murder don’t help the person who murders?

[7ranz]

The Land of Chocolate - Simpsons Clip

[Samm]

@Plasmaball

They elected them to change laws. Not keep the status quo. It’s how it works

Can’t the same be said about the situation in the OP topic?

[Samm]

@calirepub

@thinkingman

@calirepub

@Konssurvative1

A 6 to 8 lb full term fetus needs space. That 6 to 8 lb fetus is going to find the space regardless. Which if her body cannot accommodate can cause damage to internal organs. Vital organs. How do you not understand that?

Forcing an 11 year old to go through that is the most immoral thing I can think of. I don’t care if you’re a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, whatever. It is wrong to force a child to give birth.

worse than killing an innocent life?

Yes. Only a monster would force an 11 year old to give birth in my opinion.

I agree. And only a monster would kill a defenseless baby just because it’s father was a rapist. Monsters are everywhere.

[Candyman]

This kid’s lucky. She could be a victim twice. Not many people get that before they’re 12.

[calirepub]

@Samm

@calirepub

@thinkingman

@calirepub

@Konssurvative1

A 6 to 8 lb full term fetus needs space. That 6 to 8 lb fetus is going to find the space regardless. Which if her body cannot accommodate can cause damage to internal organs. Vital organs. How do you not understand that?

Forcing an 11 year old to go through that is the most immoral thing I can think of. I don’t care if you’re a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, whatever. It is wrong to force a child to give birth.

worse than killing an innocent life?

Yes. Only a monster would force an 11 year old to give birth in my opinion.

I agree. And only a monster would kill a defenseless baby just because it’s father was a rapist. Monsters are everywhere.

11 year old children should not be giving birth to children of their own. This is clearly a case where the health/life of the mother needs to be taken into account. The fact that it’s a rape baby just makes it all the more obvious that there is no moral way that anyone should force her to carry to term.

[Samm]

@Nemesis

It is a heart breaking situation with no easy answers but the child and the parents should have the right to make the decision that they feel is best.

Of course the abortion will have a lifelong impact on her but the family needs to decide which is the lesser of two evils.

That is the crux of the matter, (although you conveniently ignored the life of the baby.) There is no correct solution.

[bluedogdem]

Amazing how many people want this 11 year old to keep a rape baby

[Jezcoe]

@Samm

@Nemesis

It is a heart breaking situation with no easy answers but the child and the parents should have the right to make the decision that they feel is best.

Of course the abortion will have a lifelong impact on her but the family needs to decide which is the lesser of two evils.

That is the crux of the matter, (although you conveniently ignored the life of the baby.) There is no correct solution.

No… the correct solution is that an eleven year old child should not be forced to carry to term the product of her being raped.

There used to be an agreement among the pro-life and pro- choice camps that abortion was acceptable in the cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. Those narrow exclusions were common ground.

Now there are elements of the pro life side that have radicalized their moral stance to not be grounded anywhere near reality.

It is crazy to see the shift happen so fast.

[Samm]

@CaughtInTheMiddle

A little girl being raped and being forced to carry the rapist’s baby to term is about the most personal thing I can think of.

More personal than having ones body ripped apart while alive so that the pieces will fit through a suction tube?