Satanic temple official recognized as a church

[Jezcoe]

@Konssurvative1

True…but isn’t that in the eye of the beholder. Confederate anythings don’t have to be glorification. Change the narrative. That’s a simple governmental issue. Regardless of what they mean or stand for. They are works of art. If Piss Jesus has a place…I would venture to guess that so do these statues. Right???

Everytime someone complains about Andre Serrano and his fraudulent art… God kills a kitten.

True Story.

[Jezcoe]

@Konssurvative1

I remember it being displayed in art galleries I think in New York for quite a while. It doesn’t matter how many of anything, it only takes one doesn’t it.

Art Galleries are privately owned.

I have seen Serrano in museums. I still think the dude is a fraud… like 90% of contemporary art.

His work… if it is remembered, will be remembered for the controversy… not the art.

[Jezcoe]

@Hexenbiest

I find there is no debate with left on this issue as this issue itself is often used to shutdown debates. It is not a twist of ratiocination to say that racists are bad as well as antifa who show up and commit violence. Both are bad and neither should be socially acceptable.

I know the ‘in’ thing to do is to say that the president was saying the tiki torch people were good people, but when you look at the actual text it is not really what he said. Now was it the right thing to say? Probably not, but I hear it used as “Trump said the Nazi’s are good people”, I think this people treat his words like a rorschach test and draw the conclusion that best fits their narrative.

The actual quote from the President.

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

It seems like every couple of months I have to type out this explanation.

I will be very kind and understand that there were a certain subset of people who did not understand that the “Unite the Right Rally” was by White Supremamcists, for White Supremacists, for the purpose of furthering the goals of White Supremacy.

I will also be very kind and understand that there may have been people who did not see the news of the prior nights “Jews will not Replace us” tiki torch march.

But… when someone shows up to a rally and sees swastikas and the myriad of symbols of White Supremacy being displayed and they don’t immediately turn around and leave but instead choose to march alongside them…

Then they are not good people.

[Forcefield]

@Smyrna

I may 110% disagree with their message but I’ll fight for their right to say it…same as Charlottesville. Get it?

Wow jumping right to Charlottesville. Interesting.

[Forcefield]

@Hexenbiest

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

If they showed up, heard “Jews will not replace us” and saw swastikas, and they were "good’ people, then they would have gone home and not marched with those people. End of story. Trump mushmouthed it because he was scared of upsetting the racists in his base.

[RoyalBlue]

The same reason you’re so impressed with “Hilldawg”…

[vaard]

@Jezcoe

@Hexenbiest

I find there is no debate with left on this issue as this issue itself is often used to shutdown debates. It is not a twist of ratiocination to say that racists are bad as well as antifa who show up and commit violence. Both are bad and neither should be socially acceptable.

I know the ‘in’ thing to do is to say that the president was saying the tiki torch people were good people, but when you look at the actual text it is not really what he said. Now was it the right thing to say? Probably not, but I hear it used as “Trump said the Nazi’s are good people”, I think this people treat his words like a rorschach test and draw the conclusion that best fits their narrative.

The actual quote from the President.

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

It seems like every couple of months I have to type out this explanation.

I will be very kind and understand that there were a certain subset of people who did not understand that the “Unite the Right Rally” was by White Supremamcists, for White Supremacists, for the purpose of furthering the goals of White Supremacy.

I will also be very kind and understand that there may have been people who did not see the news of the prior nights “Jews will not Replace us” tiki torch march.

But… when someone shows up to a rally and sees swastikas and the myriad of symbols of White Supremacy being displayed and they don’t immediately turn around and leave but instead choose to march alongside them…

Then they are not good people.

I really wish i was surprised that this has to be explained…

[Hexenbiest]

It’s quiet possible the people who were there did get the message that the unite the right group was bad which could be the reason only 20-30 people showed up at the next unite the right event in D.C.

I am not defending this despicable group, but by the same logic when Antifa and their ilk shows up cladding all black, macing people, hitting them with bike locks and setting fire to Berkeley all to shut down a conservative speaker then all of the peaceful protestors there as well are not good people.

I have np condemning racism, but there seems to be a sizable portion on the left who has a hard time doing the same with antifa. They are every bit as despicable in my book they go out of their way to commit violence and shut down speech. I understand if you don’t feel that way but to me there was two evil political entities in the 20th century, one was fascism and the other communism. For whatever reason we know when to call out the idiots wearing the swastikas but a Che Guevara shirt is considered chic among portions of the left.

[Jezcoe]

@Hexenbiest

It’s quiet possible the people who were there did get the message that the unite the right group was bad which could be the reason only 20-30 people showed up at the next unite the right event in D.C.

I am not defending this despicable group, but by the same logic when Antifa and their ilk shows up cladding all black, macing people, hitting them with bike locks and setting fire to Berkeley all to shut down a conservative speaker then all of the peaceful protestors there as well are not good people.

I have np condemning racism, but there seems to be a sizable portion on the left who has a hard time doing the same with antifa. They are every bit as despicable in my book they go out of their way to commit violence and shut down speech. I understand if you don’t feel that way but to me there was two evil political entities in the 20th century, one was fascism and the other communism. For whatever reason we know when to call out the idiots wearing the swastikas but a Che Guevara shirt is considered chic among portions of the left.

The reason that the second Unite the Right rally in DC was a bust was because Jason Kessler, who was the prime organizer of the Charlottesville rally, was actively shunned by his white supremacists buddies after the disaster that ended in a woman’s death.

This is a pretty well known documented

And for the record… I dock the same amount of perceived IQ points from people who wear Che gear and MAGA hats.

People who willingly march alongside NAZIs and the KKK are not good people.

There is no getting around that.

[WuWei]

@RoyalBlue

The same reason you’re so impressed with “Hilldawg”…

I don’t think so.

[Axxowiz]

You’re trying to rationalize with a group that everything and I mean everything capital E is based upon the skin pigmentation one is born with. Good luck with that.

[FloridaYankee]

@Smyrna

What I saw were two groups of asses plus others that cared about history being torn down for no other reason than feelings. Antifa was there and when the President attempted to identify them, the media went crazy about it. Their denial was a lie. I can identify an ass and don’t have to agree with their message but I’m also experienced enough to know that if I do not stand up for their right of free speech, this pendulum of people attempting to control speech will one day possibly turn on me. I don’t want that for anybody…period. You can find anything repugnant that you choose and I agree with that but if you attempt to use violence to subdue it, you’re now going against what I and this country truly stands for.

Neither side went to Charlottesville to talk. Both antifa and unite the right went fully expecting and prepared for violence and willfully participated in such. There are many records, such as emails and messages where they discussed violence and some were clearly looking forward to it and fully intended to crack some heads.

A lot of counter protesters however were not antifa and had no intention or desire to commit acts of violence, perhaps even most of them. Unite the right was far more united on that front. That ain’t my opinion, those are just simple and easily verified facts. For unite the right, exercising their first amendment rights was as much as anything a pretext for violent protest to bolster notoriety and presumably memberships. It backfired when one of their more murderous brethren raced that car down a crowded street.

[FloridaYankee]

@JayJay

@Konssurvative1

See I look at it this way. Replace the Monument Status with Historical Marker. It is part of the history of this nation. You can’t just erase it. As a kid I used to love when we traveled off the beaten path and find historical markers along the roadside. They were set up to memorialize history not make monuments of it. These confederate “works” should be set up not as monuments to the confederacy but as markers of our nation’s history.

I can agree with this.

What few people realize is the statues themselves have a history.

They weren’t put up as historical monuments.

They were put up in two distinct waves…30-40 years after the Civil War when the original KKK was trying to create the “Noble Lost Cause” narrative out of whole cloth and then again in the 1950s-60s as a “counter protest” against the civil rights movement.

Same thing with the battle flag…you saw it nowhere in any great numbers in the South until the 1950s-60s.

When you understand the motives behind the erection of the statues and the adoption of the battle flag as a modern symbol, you understand why there is a desire to have them torn down.

This post bears repeating.

[pam95650]

Getting a tax exempt status is a bit different than obtaining a permit for a NAZI protest.

[Phaedrus]

@Smyrna

Were they violent when left alone?

Right up to the point the guy plowed his car into a crowd, killing a young woman.

[hwyflier]

The only good thing about trumpsters never learning is that I can just recycle old posts:

@hwyflier

Please, point me to the good man in that group. Highlight him out for us. Fnd us that person at the White Nationalist rally in Charolettesville who was one of the good ones.

Circle him in the photo if you could:

[Phaedrus]

@vaard

I doubt the satanic temple has enabled and protected child molesters like christian organizations have…

Google “satanic ritual abuse”. Or better yet, don’t. Just trust me on this one - you’re wrong.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

I honestly don’t know if you’re joking here, but:

1. The Satanic Temple is a “religion” founded 6 years ago by an acquaintance of mine, as a tongue-in-cheek pseudo-activist organization.

2. The “satanic ritual abuse” nonsense from the 80s was all ■■■■■■■■■

[Phaedrus]

@TheDoctorIsIn

I honestly don’t know if you’re joking here, but:

1. The Satanic Temple is a “religion” founded 6 years ago by an acquaintance of mine, as a tongue-in-cheek pseudo-activist organization.

2. The “satanic ritual abuse” nonsense from the 80s was all ■■■■■■■■■

1. I didn’t know that. My bad.

2. My wife is a clinical psychologist with 30 years experience. She’s counseled victims of satanic ritual abuse. It most definitely is NOT ■■■■■■■■■

[TheDoctorIsIn]

No physical evidnece of any sort of satanic ritual abuse, as the moral panic-ers of the 80s imagined it, has ever been found.