Sanders socialist Gillum up 5% over the Trump toady De Santis in Florida governor race (8-30-2018)

Florida will be a good case study in whether or not a Democratic candidate in support of something can win in a battleground state. Gillum isn’t being coy with his platform. Florida actually has a choice between a progressive platform and some monkey ■■■■■

There’s not really anything to debate. Trump’s lawyer plead guilty to breaking campaign finance laws on the orders of Donald Trump and the judge accepted that guilty plea.

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The fake judge. Might have even been Mexican (just kidding!) Conflict of interest? Out to get Trump with doctored pleas. DON’T BELIEVE THE FAKE NEWS.

There was a lot to debate and that debate took place. There is no factual evidence that “Trump was engaged in a criminal conspiracy with his longtime fixer to illegally affect the outcome of the election in his favor” as stated by Nebraska. He was simply reciting a Trump-hating talking point. I called him on it.

Then why were you surprised?

That’s exactly what Cohen pleaded guilty to.

It’s surprising that someone can win the popular vote by 2 million votes and still lose the election. Anyone should have been surprised by that because it’s statistically pretty unlikely. I was riding the Silver train before the election who was giving Trump a 25-30% chance to win, so I was less surprised than many on the left.

No its not. He can’t plead for anyone but himself.

Yeah, he just committed campaign finance violations for a generic campaign, by paying off porn stars who slept with some guy.

Of course it is true. Federal Prosecutors drafted a statement that was read by his co-conspirator in a court of law while pleading guilty to the criminal activity. A judge accepted these charges and claims as drafted by Federal Prosecutors as being factual and criminal. Trump is now officially an unindicted co-conspirator to a criminal conspiracy designed to illegally affect the outcome of the election in his favor. There is no spinning this reality.

We know you don’t care either though. Law and order is irrelevant to the blind partisan cult. We do enjoy watching you froth though. So carry on plugging your ears and pretending reality is not happening.

I don’t think Trump supporters will ever understand the ramifications of what happened during the campaign, but it’s important for the history books that we don’t just brush this aside as some minor campaign finance violation. Like you said, it was a criminal conspiracy to defraud the American electorate.

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Leave President Dennison alone!! :sob:

LOL, RCP moved Texas Senate into tossup.

Exactly. And there very well may be an indictment awaiting Trump the day he leaves office. Regardless of what form that departure may take. I’ve said before, once Federal Prosecutors laid bare that Trump was a co-conspirator, that his best bet now is likely to negotiate a deal with Prosecutors. Offer to resign, to avoid full charges being levied against him. I doubt he will though.

Because she was also gonna win the EC too and that didnt happen.

Allan

DeSantis wants to protect and restore The Everglades and stop sending nutrient rich polluted water out of Lake Okeechobie down the rivers to the left and right coasts.

Putnam who he beat in the primaries has taken over nine million dollars directly and indirectly from sugar lobbyists in his career. It is the sugar growers causing the Lake O water to be diverted down the rivers and it is causing an environmental catastrophe, by any standards. It’s bad.

People are mad as hell and I don’t think Putnam could have won.

I’m surprised Gillum is doing so well, but a lot of notherners have moved down here in the last few years and EVERYBODY is angry about the water situation. Tourism is slowing way down, home sales are slowing, sport fishing is taking a big hit. This time last year it was the fishing capital of the world. Not so much at the moment.

This one is a total crapshoot and history means nothing.

Way too early to call.

Haha. Technically toads are poisonous, not venomous.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooo…………….

In your bizarro Trump-hating world, someone can cop a plea deal implicating anyone they want and that person is then presumed guilty?

Nope. Here in the real world when someone is charged with a crime and they agree that they committed the crime, then their statements before the court are required to be both accurate and substantiated by Prosecutors charging them with said crime. The statement read by Cohen in court, to the Judge, admitting to these crimes, was written by Prosecutors. Who then also confirmed to the Judge that they have evidence fully supporting and corroborating these crimes. This is all pretty basic criminal justice stuff man.

I know in the delusions of the Trump cult, a person can just admit to anything in court, and a judge will just blindly accept anything they admit to, without any corroborating evidence or support. Even things that are not actual crimes. (Which is a hilarious joke in-and-of-itself) But that is only believed because of a detachment from reality.

Trump is, by legal definition, an unidicted co-conspirator. Period.