I would assume that most would like for the Ukranian army to soundly defeat Russia and push them out of all Ukranian territory without the direct involvement of any other countries armed forces.
I would assume that most (if not all) would agree that’s not likely.
So, what then is the likely outcome, and how long will it take?
Well i see this as a draw. I would love for trump to tell putin we are pulling all our resources out no more interference from us. With exception to aid and food drops to the ukraine people. Humanitarian type stuff. No more cash or arms. Its just crazy we are involved in their civil war.
If the Biden White House is successful in provoking global thermonuclear war, the conflict could be over before January 20 . . .
its not a civil war.
it is yet to be determined.
If Russia continues on its current course Trump will either follow through on his threat to flood Ukraine with weapons or he’ll walk away from it.
What ever it is i know its not our war.
it is in our interest to make sure Russia does not win a war of conquest in Europe. If we fail at that… hello WW3
if someone invades a soveriegn country, thats not a civil war.
see germany invading poland in 1939.
Allan
Everybody conveniently ignores Stalin’s concurrent invasion of Poland from the east.
I believe that Biden is escalating the Ukrainian war NOW to sabotage Trump’s " I will end that war" effort.
BUT…it may turn out that it will HELP Russians.
The best Trump could hope is that Russians return all the won areas and go home.
But now that Russians are mad, and less likely to negotiate, they have better chance of holding onto occupied zone and Ukraine will have to sede those areas. Just like Crimea.
Mr. Zelensky…thank Biden for that.
Biden spent 1/3 of a Trillion protecting their border and how much protecting our ???
Biden should be tried for treason and for recless waste of tax-payers money.
But the very same SCOTUS that he, Biden, wants to dismantle will come to his aide.
Kiss their boots, Joe.
What’s the Constitution good for when we can’t go after Politicians who openly defy the laws and aid and abet the enemy???
Yes, the 1939-41 Soviet occupation of eastern Poland was brutally repressive. Most of the territory had been part of Austria until 1918, and many Ukrainians welcomed the return of Austrian and German troops as liberators.
The distinction between Nazi collaborator and heroic freedom fighter is a matter of perspective.
Hopefully the likely outcome is saving hundreds of billions of dollars from going to waste.
That wouldnt result in a draw. Putin would crush them and take the whole country.
It’s not a civil war.
It’s pretty incredible the way you can immediately find a pro-russian video and links to counter any anti-russian sentiment.
IMO, neither side will get what they really want out of this war.
Ukraine will formally hand over Crimea and will probably hand over at least some of the occupied territories, but not all of it. Russia currently occupies 4 Oblasts minus Crimea. So I’m thinking they’ll split it down the middle in the long run.
Russia will be forced through negotiations to recognize the right of the Ukrainian people to exist and be separate from Russians. While everybody goes on about “NATO membership” and what not, the truth is that this is a war of both resources and the fact that Russia as a whole does not recognize the legitimacy of Ukraine as a people or a state. Elitist Russians like Putin, who control the Kremlin, see Ukrainians as “Little Russians” who speak a slightly different language. That will have to change in writing.
There will probably be a DMZ set-up at the new border that closely resembles the Korean DMZ, with a 3 mile wide or so area of no-man’s land. It will probably be patrolled by a rotating line-up of mostly neutral countries who are not NATO or SCO affiliated. So Turkey (technically a NATO member, but they have strong relations with both Russia and Ukraine and are seen as an ally by both powers), possibly Israel (they have relations with both sides), a few others from Latin America. Russia and Ukraine will continue to maintain huge conventional forces outside of the no man’s land area ready to restart the war if ■■■■ hits the fan again.
It will take Ukraine probably a generation to rebuild from the damage Russia has done. Russia will get off scot free in this regard, but I suspect that with the new “liberty” in writing they will join the EU almost immediately and investment will pour in from both Western and Eastern Europe to help in the rebuilding process.
Ukraine will probably join NATO since a signed agreement and peace would be established. So if the Russians actually care about NATO enlargement (and I frankly don’t think that’s high on their priority list because the Baltic states and now Finland are much closer to vital Russian territory and are NATO members and Russia isn’t trying to pull ■■■■■■■■ on them at the moment) they really played themselves while getting a few hundred thousand of their soldiers killed in the process.
Russia will have to heavily rebuild its forces in the aftermath, so I suspect their war time levels of production will continue for a bit after the war. But their economy can only handle so much and eventually Russians will get tired of a near Third World existence. This puts Putin in a predicament long term.
It is pretty incredible that any review of the history of eastern Europe before February 2022 is considered “pro-Russian”.
Because only the one point of view, supporting the nazis, should see the light of day
In other words you see things escalating further and likely dragging on for years?
