Russia/Ukraine, what's the likely outcome, and how long will it take?

It would seem from his rhetoric that he believes that he can get Putin to the negotiating table, correct? Even he can what type of agreement would be likely?

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Alot of this boils down to the fact that the Kremlin fails to see the former Soviet states as fully sovereign independent nations, especially Ukraine and Belarus because they consider those two to simply be Russians who speak a different language. Belarus mostly submitted to Kremlin demands. Ukraine used to, but their governments since 2004 have been all over the place on how they see themselves versus the Russians. Ukraine has always desired a friendly relationship with Russia, after all that is kind of what countries desire when they are next door to each other, plus I’m pretty sure most countries admire the close friendly relationship the US has with both Canada and Mexico. But the Russians had a habit of encroaching on their sovereignty, essentially trying to punish them for leaving when the USSR collapsed despite Russia doing the exact same thing.

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Cutting off Russia oil sales ( no purchases from the US and get europe to go along) would likely get Putin to the table.

No idea what the details of a treaty would look like.

Probably neither side would get everything they want.

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NATO membership for Ukraine is not negotiable as far as Russia is concerned. That has been clear since 2008.


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It is interesting that the US claims that NATO membership should strictly be a Ukrainian decision, but the people who run Washington have long rejected Russian interest in joining NATO.

NATO has always been about keeping “Russians out, Americans in, Germans down”.

Your posts are definitely pro-russia.

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He prevsiously said he would threaten putin with flooding ukraine with weapons.

So what? Russia has no say in what NATO does.

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Russia wanted super special terms that other NATO members don’t get. The only one that was logical was that Russian equipment would be designated STANAG alternate so that they wouldn’t have to completely reequip their large military. But they wanted a lot more than that. Namely equal power with the US, France, and the UK to influence policy decisions. That was never going to happen.

Russia dominates the battlefield. Any agreement will have to be on Russian terms, which include demilitarizing Ukraine and removing any possibility for NATO membership.

The question is how long will it take for the US to recognize that?

It may be possible for Trump to negotiate a settlement, but there are powerful interests that may sabotage a deal. Trump has already faced two assassination attempts, and one of the wannabe assassins clearly had connections to Ukraine and western intelligence.

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If there is no deal, the likely outcome will be that Russia will continue to advance until it removes the NATO-backed regime in Kyiv.

Russia is technically winning, but they ain’t dominating by any means considering their horrific casualties and mounting equipment losses. They won’t dictate the terms that heavily when it is all said and done.

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If you’ve been listening to what Trump’s closest people are saying, there is virtually no chance that they’re going to “flood Ukraine with weapons.” Just the opposite.

The narrative has been that Russia has “horrific casualties”, but at the same time it is clear that Russia has massive advantages terms of artillery and air power.

The reality is that Ukraine is suffering horrific casualties, while Russian casualties are far lower, and Russia has over five times the population.

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They are both suffering horrific casualties in their offensives. Ukraine is typically on the defense in most engagements so they are going to suffer less overall.

The Russian approach has been aggressive attrition to minimize their casualties.

The Russians attack the Ukrainian positions from a distance with highly accurate artillery, glide bombs, missiles, and drones. Once the Ukrainians have either been killed or have retreated, the Russians advance and mop up any pockets of resistance.

Ukraine is chronically short of trained troops because conscription can’t keep up with the losses.

Yes, NATO has become Warsaw Pact 2.0. Washington dictates policy to satellite countries and supplies most of the military power.

A big difference is that Warsaw Pact did not have military operations outside of member states, while NATO has engaged in multiple wars in the Middle East, former Yugoslavia, and now Ukraine.

still not a civil war.

Allan

The problem is the Russia learned you can’t trust the west from the Minsk accords. Germany admitted they were just a delaying tactic.

you don’t review the history, you spout Russian propaganda

and that’s all they were to Russia too.

bwahahahahahahaha… OMG… my sides ache

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