JayJay
February 11, 2020, 9:08pm
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Safiel:
Since whataboutism is being engaged in, we need to clarify Obama’s actions.
President Obama did issue a number of full pardons, but they were almost all for people who had been convicted years ago, served their full sentences and subsequently led above board lives and deserved the pardons.
President Obama primarily granted commutations of prison terms which did NOT amount to completely obliterating most sentences. Most of these commutations went to black defendants who were subject to unjust sentencing “crack” enhancements. The commutations served to bring their sentences in line with white defendants who received shorter sentences for distributing powder cocaine. All these people still served substantial time in prison prior to release and many are still in prison, just facing fewer years.
Only in a very small number of cases did Obama grant a pardon or commutation that completely relieved a defendant of prison time.
So the whataboutism doesn’t really work at all here.
That story doesn’t make for a “Really Scary Sound Bite” though.
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I mean…Trump is a scumbag too
JayJay
February 11, 2020, 9:32pm
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MoleUK:
zantax:
Meh, if republicans want to accuse the Clinton’s of committing crimes, while they control the DOJ, all I am hearing is, we’re liars or incompetent.
It whips up the base to help Republicans get elected. The knock-on effect is that it also helps destroy faith in a system that isn’t exactly fautlless in the first place.
Because voters either lose faith in the institutions that are there to tackle corruption and criminality, or admit they were conned into believing various conspiracy theories purely to help one party get elected.
Harder to get people to admit they were fooled than it is to fool them in the first place.
The GOP doesn’t want to actually lock Dems up.
They need their various Emmanuel Goldsteins.
And this works.
I have seen folks on social media walk right up to the brink of admitting Trump is stringing them along…only to pull themselves right back into the various Deep State Conspiracies they believe keeping getting “the guilty ones” off the hook.
If the GOP actually went after someone, the Emmanuel Goldstein Effect would go poof!
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Sknyluv
February 11, 2020, 9:36pm
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This is amateur hour. Judges are Hatched with lifetime tenure. They’re daring the judge to throw the book at him so he doesn’t look like a punk caving into political pressure.
Safiel
February 11, 2020, 9:57pm
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Good show of ethics.
He will have no problem finding gainful and remunerative work in the private sector.
There should be a new “Church committee” to investigate abuses and crimes by intelligence agencies since the last Church committee, and to clean house.
The Church Committee (formally the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities) was a US Senate select committee in 1975 that investigated abuses by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Chaired by Idaho Senator Frank Church (D-ID), the committee was part of a series of investigations into intelligence abuses in 1975...
Jezcoe
February 11, 2020, 10:07pm
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Three prosecutors resign. Totally normal.
Regardless of the eventual sentence, unless the courts overturn the stacked jury verdict, Stone will be pardoned, because he was denied justice. Trump is giving the Obama holdovers in the DoJ an opportunity to correct their perversion of justice. We’ll see what they do.
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enki
February 11, 2020, 10:19pm
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How was Roger Stone denied justice?
I can’t believe that Barr will get away with this.
Another good reason to vote Trump out of office.
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Sknyluv
February 11, 2020, 10:24pm
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It’s their job. You don’t think Barr should do his job when it involves investigating judicial bias and miscarriage by his department against Trump supporters?
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Yet again, you guys defend something and Lucy pulls the football away again .
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And apparently probation for Mike Flynn comes from the White House too.
Jezcoe
February 11, 2020, 10:27pm
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It’s the AG’s job to interfere with politically embarrassing prosecutions?
Well that is a new one.
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mbus
February 11, 2020, 10:32pm
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You really believe there is a war within Justice and Intelligence? Obama’s corrupt folks versus Trump’s pure of heart? You believe that?
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The judicial department made stone threaten to kill a federal witness