Red Flag Laws. Here’s what will happen

It’s a Sunday night and your family has all gone to bed. You let the dogs back in and lock the deadbolt like you do every night. All the lights are off now except a couple of night lights scattered throughout the house leaving that dim glow throughout your home. It’s bedtime and work and school are going to come early in the morning. You crawl in bed, kiss your wife and drift off to sleep being thankful for the air conditioning that allows you to pull that heavy quilt up over your shoulder despite the fact it’s still 85 degrees outside. A few hours pass…

It’s now 0200 Monday morning, your wife taps your leg and says, “baby I heard something outside”. As you sit up in bed you hear the dog growling in the living room and you know something isn’t right. You grab that trusty ole 870 and head into the living room. Your wife grabs her 9mm and heads down the hall to the kids rooms just like you have rehearsed. “Good boy” you say as you enter the living room, trying to calm both the dog and your wife just as splinters fly across the room and the front door flies open.

“Oh ■■■■ !” As you shoulder your weapon and send a round of 00 Buck across your living room and see the perpetrator fall in a heap. Before the, “thank God” can even run across your brain, you see a second man coming in the door and you fire again.

This time you hear the pop of your wife’s 9mm as she has joined in the fight. It has to be those damn meth heads from down in town! Just then you are consumed by a wall of bullets as you see multiple muzzle flashes from just outside the door and you realize something isn’t right. You turn to yell at your wife to “get down” just in time to see her take a load of buckshot to the face and her brain matter splatter the wall behind her.

You feel the burning as 5.56 bullets riddle your body. One strikes your spine as you’re scrambling away and paralyzes your lower body. The last thing you see before you bleed to death is some SWAT guy from your local PD holding your teenage daughter on the floor, with a knee in her back, as she screams and cries because she just watched her parents get murdered.

Why did this happen? You’re no criminal. You’re a Conservative and an honest family man. Your wife is a school teacher and your daughters are on honor roll. Why did this happen?

Well two days ago, you and your wife went down to welcome the new neighbors to the community. Your wife made them some of her, “world famous” cookies and you invited them to church on Sunday. Later that afternoon, you got a friend request on Facebook from your new neighbor, which you gladly accepted. They seemed a little odd, but in the few minutes you talked they were pleasant enough.

The next day while you and your family sat in church, your new neighbor scrolled through your Facebook profile. He saw that “Trump 2020” post and got infuriated.

See, he’s a staunch liberal and he hates your kind. The next thing he sees are the hunting pictures you took last fall when your daughter bagged her first buck. Now he’s seething with fury because he is wholeheartedly against the “slaughter of innocent animals”. Next he sees your post from the last range day with your buddy and sees those scary black assault weapons on the table and that does it!

He has to do something about the racist domestic terrorist living next door. He picks up the phone, calls the local Sheriffs Office and reports you as a threat under the new Red Flag law. The SO follows their SOP’s and conducts a no knock warrant because you have now been denied due process and you are considered guilty until proven innocent.

Now you, your lovely wife and two deputies have been killed for nothing. Your daughter will have absolute hell for the rest of her life. She will never be that successful person you dreamed for her to be because of the mental tragedy caused from seeing her parents murdered. The local news paper will report that you were killed after firing on and killing two deputies and that “over a thousand rounds of ammo and 22 guns were confiscated from your residence”.

Oh, those two deputies were just following orders. They left behind families as well and had served their community for over a decade. They didn’t know you were a stand-up guy with a great family. They weren’t allowed time to investigate things under due process. They were told you had threatened your neighbor and were out in the street waving an AR-15 around.

This is the reality of Red Flag gun laws.


You should start writing for a living. That was very engaging!

Personally, I think the worst thing about the Red Flag law is the potential for abuse, just as you eloquently wrote in your OP.

People are not focusing on the real problem which is mental health.

Great article and spot on:


Much more likely scenario: My house never gets broken into and everyone is fine.

The odds of a home invasion is only twice that of being struck by lightning. I’ll take my chances


On a more positive(?) note, we get to have a sneak peak at some of the phonies.

Our host strongly disagrees with you and has started more than a dozen threads calling him a true patriot

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Why hasn’t that happened yet in any of these states that already have such laws?

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Story time? Here’s mine.

New gun control laws are enacted. There is virtually no impact on nearly all firearm owners and buyers. Some of the men, women and children who would otherwise been victims of firearm violence and homicide live full lives.

The end.


That’s what you get for not having a minigun, a few RPGs and a stash of grenades with which to properly defend yourself.

I’ve noticed the number of “mental health experts” that have been on the air lately, trying to separate “DIAGNOSED mental health” issues from people who are plain-old-nuts.

“This isn’t a mental health issue…”

Both shooters last weekend were not DIAGNOSED mental health patients, but clearly both has screws loose.

I said this in another thread. Red flag laws as they are currently proposed (and as they are implemented in some states already) violate the concept of due process. Just being accused by … anybody (as it is implemented in Colorado, for instance) gets the accused gun owner wrapped up in an expensive legal mess. It’s ripe for revenge reporting. It’s ripe for abuse.

But at the same time there needs to be a mechanism for proper reporting of problems. The El Paso shooter’s mother earlier reported her son. She knew trouble was afoot.

There are times when people in the know (family, friends, co-workers) absolutely DO have a reasonable concern. Somehow we need to find a way to tap into that knowledge – properly and constitutionally – and act on it (again, properly and constitutionally.)

Trigger-reporting needs to be weeded out. Revenge reporting. Swatting. Anyone can propose that so-and-so has a mental problem now.

Today’s armchair retrospective-reporting is fueling unwarranted concerns. “Looking back … he wrote something …” “Looking back … he had a picture on his wall…” “Looking back … this or that …” He had a mental health issue.

There are a million people with pictures on their walls. With a confederate flag on their internet avatar. Who have “written something” … (and even people on this board have “written something” that (if they were to shoot up a 7-11 ) we could look back and say, “Well, he wrote x-y-z…”

Do all of them have mental health issues?

Should every such statement trigger a red flag? Should every confederate license plate holder trigger a red flag? Should every post wishing ill upon Trump donors trigger a red flag?

Right now the “red flag” laws would allow for that. Do we really want to go there?


You might need to make a meme like that with my picture, given what I said in my last post.

I’m not ready to put Crenshaw in McCain’s bin yet. I think Crenshaw is thinking out loud, just like I did in that last post. He’s suggesting "maybe"s. Let’s not throw him under the bus for that.

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Don’t forget what Trump said last year.

“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

On the morning of Nov 5th 2018 at 5:17 AM a man heard a knock on his door.

Gary Willis opened the door with a pistol in his hand, see they were cops so he sets the gun down. He become irritated when the cops served him their orders, to confiscated his guns. There was struggle for his pistol that he had set down, during that struggle second friendly cop shot and killed Gary Willis.

According to her niece.

Michele Willis is the niece of Gary Willis. She described her uncle as a person that likes to speak his mind but was harmless. She stated that her uncle wasn’t a danger to anyone and questioned the police response.

I wonder how many here speaks their mind?

Police are also being tight-lipped about the cause for the order to be taken out on Willis due to being legally restrained to the amount of information that can be released to the public because of the law dealing with extreme risk protection orders.

Overall there has been 114 petitions in Maryland with Anne Arundel County accounted for 19.

Read the story here.

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Why then had it not happened in the dozen or so states that have such laws? Millions upon millions of people live under such laws right now.

All these stories hinge on the notion that gun owners have no notion of an order to confiscate a gun until the police knock on the door… guns drawn.

Given the risk such tactics pose to the police, do they have any credibility?

Does anyone truly believe that red flag court orders would be issued without due process in which the gun owner can contest the matter?

He became irate and struggled with police when they tried to serve the order. How many times have we heard that one should cooperate with police even when they are in the wrong and straighten it out later.

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I’ve stopped caring about your guns.


“And why hasn’t this happened yet…”

  1. To some extent it has.

  2. There is always a next-first time. And worst-case incidents rarely happen right away.

  3. We legislate by emotion. Eventually a shooter will come from a red-flag state, and the legislature of that state will propose the next emotion-driven, knee-jerk expansion of their existing law to cover the hole that their shooter slipped through. And that will make it even easier to trigger-flag someone else.

Look. People in another thread have joked that Biden should be red-flagged. We all know it was said as humor. But there are people out there who would say the same with all seriousness. (Not specifically about Biden, of course.) 325million people out there. Odds are good that people will do it.


Is it possible that red flag reporting would disproportionately be invoked against minorities?

Sick people do that now in non red flag states, or have a few times at least. A very few very hardcore gamers I think are the ones being called out for it.

Vivid imagination dude vivid you should consider writing fiction for a living