President Trump On Trial for Fraud (Civil)

Yeah and it proves double standards! No decision was made, the leak proves intent to what the picketing was trying to do, which was change an outcome that wasn’t favorable to them. Protest a liberal and its jail for you, intimidate a RNC Judge it’s free speech.

I love how you completely missed the point :rofl:

Trump has credibly ran fraudulent businesses. Biden has not.

The first statement is true regarding trump, the 2nd is yet to be determined.

No it doesn’t.

The leak suggests that a decision was made creating issues for proving intent

Pelosi is not a judge

The fact you came up with NOTHING…PROVES my point. Biden has sucked the utter of taxpayers all of his life just sucking away.:sunglasses: :tumbler_glass:

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A leak is an unverified claim! No decision was made public yet so they hoped picketing would sway the outcome the other way, there is no other reason for the picketing than that. There were signs literally telling them to change their decision or suffer the consequences, when no decision was made yet.

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The leak was of the actual decision not of the existence of the decision

The courts reaction to it was monumental though clearly kabuki.

They protestors abused the leak to go picket judges houses

It’s wrong. Somebody organized and advised them.

But it’s arguably protected speech

LOl it’s not verifiable until they announce it! Since when is a leak an official court ruling? So all leaks are 100% truth and should not be questioned now? So people can create fake leaks and use it to picket now?

There is nothing in the statute that requires a verification of the decision. Again the leak was of the actual decision. The courts reaction all but verified it.

The defense would be that the decision was made.

It’s a defense to the crime but it’s not a defense to being an ass and protesting at judges homes.

It says influence an outcome, which is also known as a decision.

But if i believe that the outcome was made because the decision was leaked and then the court had a fake meltdown over the leak how can you prove intent.

You can’t.

You can prove that i am an ass

It doesn’t matter one way or the other, no decision was publicly made. You are saying it’s ok to use unverified leaks as a guise to picket houses when decisions haven’t been made official yet, when it’s not. They still could have changed their decision. Nothings done till it’s announced by them personally. They were intimidating that’s the only reason they were there. You can’t just fabricate things and use it as an excuse to intimidate people.

There is absolutely no requirement that the decision be announced publically, personally or otherwise.

The court had an epic meltdown over the leak.

If they denied it i would agree with you that it would have been easier to prove intent.

It literally states picketing with the intent of influencing an outcome, that’s what they were doing hoping the leak wasn’t true, and believing picketing would change the judges minds. It doesn’t matter if they denied it or not, no decision was made.

It literally does not state that the decision needs to be made public for it to be a decision

Now you finally hit the nail on the head - “believing”

The whole reason they are picketing is because a decision was yet to be made which is the very definition of influencing!

That’s the reason they were picketing. Yes. I agree with you

You can’t prove that in a court of law because of the leak. As i keep saying. Somebody organized them and advised them on the legal ramifications and the reduction of the possibility of prosecution because of the leak.

The prosecutors would need to prove the persons state of mind aka intent

And while you and i agree that their intent was to change the decision that was leaked. The doj would have an extremely difficult time proving that because of the leak.

Do you understand?

@YOSUP

This is the exact defense currently being mounted in the Trump Georgia and DC case

You have to prove what President Trump believed with regards to him winning or losing the election.

So has Trump. He has defrauded taxpayers for all of his life. Particularly with his fraudulent businesses.

Do you have nothing to say about Trump?

That’s the bull ■■■■ leftists engage in. USSC Judge Kavanaugh?