There are different levels of addiction. You don’t know this conclusive statement to be true.
Hilarious. No, it hasn’t.
Hilarious. No, it hasn’t.
Sorry. You have to balance the addictiveness with the pain relief.
LucyLou: zantax:I don’t expect the makers of the drug to police the medical community, that isn’t their job.
They trained an army of pharmaceutical salespeople to mislead and lie to doctors. Even I remember the sentiment for quite awhile there that opiate painkillers, used correctly, by people in pain, could be used without addiction. That was a lie perpetuated by the pharma company.
No, it isn’t a lie. The vast majority of people who have used opiate pain killers as prescribed for pain do not become addicts.
Enough have and Purdue not only knew about but directly marketed towards that.
And here we are with a Opium problem in this country.
@zantax, I don’t know if you’re much of a reader, but there is a really good book, very readable, about the opioid crisis right there in Ohio. It’s called ‘Dreamland-The True Tale of America’s Opioid Epidemic’ by Sam Quinones. Very well researched, he documents how medically prescribed opiates and Mexican heroin fueled the epidemic there. He does a good job of documenting the tactics used by pharmaceutical companies to deceive doctors.
@zantax, I don’t know if you’re much of a reader, but there is a really good book, very readable, about the opioid crisis right there in Ohio. It’s called ‘Dreamland-The True Tale of America’s Opioid Epidemic’ by Sam Quinones. Very well researched, he documents how medically prescribed opiates and Mexican heroin fueled the epidemic there. He does a good job of documenting the tactics used by pharmaceutical companies to deceive doctors.
I am going to go out on a limb and assume nowhere in the book does he claim, let alone prove, everyone who is prescribed an opiate pain killer becomes an addict.
LucyLou:@zantax, I don’t know if you’re much of a reader, but there is a really good book, very readable, about the opioid crisis right there in Ohio. It’s called ‘Dreamland-The True Tale of America’s Opioid Epidemic’ by Sam Quinones. Very well researched, he documents how medically prescribed opiates and Mexican heroin fueled the epidemic there. He does a good job of documenting the tactics used by pharmaceutical companies to deceive doctors.
I am going to go out on a limb and assume nowhere in the book does he claim, let alone prove, everyone who is prescribed an opiate pain killer becomes an addict.
Not everyone who smoked cigarettes got lung cancer… so Philip Morris should have gotten off the hook.
zantax: LucyLou:@zantax, I don’t know if you’re much of a reader, but there is a really good book, very readable, about the opioid crisis right there in Ohio. It’s called ‘Dreamland-The True Tale of America’s Opioid Epidemic’ by Sam Quinones. Very well researched, he documents how medically prescribed opiates and Mexican heroin fueled the epidemic there. He does a good job of documenting the tactics used by pharmaceutical companies to deceive doctors.
I am going to go out on a limb and assume nowhere in the book does he claim, let alone prove, everyone who is prescribed an opiate pain killer becomes an addict.
Not everyone who smoked cigarettes got lung cancer… so Philip Morris should have gotten off the hook.
Yes they should have, any competent adult knew full well cigarettes were harmful to their health and rolled the dice anyway.
LucyLou:@zantax, I don’t know if you’re much of a reader, but there is a really good book, very readable, about the opioid crisis right there in Ohio. It’s called ‘Dreamland-The True Tale of America’s Opioid Epidemic’ by Sam Quinones. Very well researched, he documents how medically prescribed opiates and Mexican heroin fueled the epidemic there. He does a good job of documenting the tactics used by pharmaceutical companies to deceive doctors.
I am going to go out on a limb and assume nowhere in the book does he claim, let alone prove, everyone who is prescribed an opiate pain killer becomes an addict.
Again, you’re having an argument that no one is having just to be disagreeable.
I am going to go out on a limb and assume nowhere in the book does he claim, let alone prove, everyone who is prescribed an opiate pain killer becomes an addict.
No, that’s not the point of the book. You would enjoy it.
I may not have been clear. Opiates are highly addictive. Most people become addicted if they use them for an extended time. Many people become addicted right away. But yes, some people can use for a short period and not become addicted.
zantax: LucyLou:@zantax, I don’t know if you’re much of a reader, but there is a really good book, very readable, about the opioid crisis right there in Ohio. It’s called ‘Dreamland-The True Tale of America’s Opioid Epidemic’ by Sam Quinones. Very well researched, he documents how medically prescribed opiates and Mexican heroin fueled the epidemic there. He does a good job of documenting the tactics used by pharmaceutical companies to deceive doctors.
I am going to go out on a limb and assume nowhere in the book does he claim, let alone prove, everyone who is prescribed an opiate pain killer becomes an addict.
Again, you’re having an argument that no one is having just to be disagreeable.
I am?
Me
No, it isn’t a lie. The vast majority of people who have used opiate pain killers as prescribed for pain do not become addicts.
That’s been shown not to be true.
I am going to go out on a limb and assume nowhere in the book does he claim, let alone prove, everyone who is prescribed an opiate pain killer becomes an addict.
Nobody has said this. Why do you need to mischaracterize the argument?
zantax:I am going to go out on a limb and assume nowhere in the book does he claim, let alone prove, everyone who is prescribed an opiate pain killer becomes an addict.
No, that’s not the point of the book. You would enjoy it.
I may not have been clear. Opiates are highly addictive. Most people become addicted if they use them for an extended time. Many people become addicted right away. But yes, some people can use for a short period and not become addicted.
I’ll tell you the same thing I told my doctor the last time my back went out and he didn’t want to prescribe an opiate for the pain. I didn’t ask you for an opiate, I asked you for pain relief, if you know of something else that is effective, great. He still didn’t prescribe it, thanks to this mindless panic about opioids, so everyone be on notice, you better hope you don’t end up with chronic debilitating pain, because societies do gooders have now decided that it’s better for you to suffer long term excruciating pain then to become dependent on effective pain relief medication.
I hope my mother dies before they cut her off her pain meds, better that then the suffering she will endure if they do.
Bottom line, people in pain shouldn’t be made to suffer because a small percentage of people use pain meds recreation-ally and end up addicts.
Jezcoe: zantax: LucyLou:@zantax, I don’t know if you’re much of a reader, but there is a really good book, very readable, about the opioid crisis right there in Ohio. It’s called ‘Dreamland-The True Tale of America’s Opioid Epidemic’ by Sam Quinones. Very well researched, he documents how medically prescribed opiates and Mexican heroin fueled the epidemic there. He does a good job of documenting the tactics used by pharmaceutical companies to deceive doctors.
I am going to go out on a limb and assume nowhere in the book does he claim, let alone prove, everyone who is prescribed an opiate pain killer becomes an addict.
Not everyone who smoked cigarettes got lung cancer… so Philip Morris should have gotten off the hook.
Yes they should have, any competent adult knew full well cigarettes were harmful to their health and rolled the dice anyway.
Hilarious.
Long term opiates don’t work.
LucyLou: zantax:I am going to go out on a limb and assume nowhere in the book does he claim, let alone prove, everyone who is prescribed an opiate pain killer becomes an addict.
No, that’s not the point of the book. You would enjoy it.
I may not have been clear. Opiates are highly addictive. Most people become addicted if they use them for an extended time. Many people become addicted right away. But yes, some people can use for a short period and not become addicted.
I’ll tell you the same thing I told my doctor the last time my back went out and he didn’t want to prescribe an opiate for the pain. I didn’t ask you for an opiate, I asked you for pain relief, if you know of something else that is effective, great. He still didn’t prescribe it, thanks to this mindless panic about opioids, so everyone be on notice, you better hope you don’t end up with chronic debilitating pain, because societies do gooders have now decided that it’s better for you to suffer long term excruciating pain then to become dependent on effective pain relief medication.
I hope my mother dies before they cut her off her pain meds, better that then the suffering she will endure if they do.
Bottom line, people in pain shouldn’t be made to suffer because a small percentage of people use pain meds recreation-ally and end up addicts.
You are speaking of something that no one is talking about.
It isn’t that prescribing opiates is a bad thing.
It is a company knowing that their product is being abused and not only not doing anything about that but pushing more product out where the abuse is running rampant.
This is corporate profits for an untold amount of human suffering.
I may be old fashioned but personal responsibility should play a roll. I’m not aware of the drug companies shoveling pills down anyone’s throat.
I’ll tell you the same thing I told my doctor the last time my back went out and he didn’t want to prescribe an opiate for the pain. I didn’t ask you for an opiate, I asked you for pain relief, if you know of something else that is effective, great. He still didn’t prescribe it, thanks to this mindless panic about opioids, so everyone be on notice, you better hope you don’t end up with chronic debilitating pain, because societies do gooders have now decided that it’s better for you to suffer long term excruciating pain then to become dependent on effective pain relief medication.
I hope my mother dies before they cut her off her pain meds, better that then the suffering she will endure if they do.
Bottom line, people in pain shouldn’t be made to suffer because a small percentage of people use pain meds recreation-ally and end up addicts.
So your doctor basically confirmed what I posted, but you still said I was wrong?
People don’t get addicted by using pain pills recreationally, they get addicted because a doctor originally prescribed for pain.
Your mom is already addicted, you already acknowledged that is probably true. No doctor will cut off someone already addicted to an opioid, any more than someone addicted to heroin cannot stop without major medical withdrawal. She would have to quit with medical assistance.
I may be old fashioned but personal responsibility should play a roll. I’m not aware of the drug companies shoveling pills down anyone’s throat.
Apply that argument to any other narcotic that is abused by the public.
I wonder if this lawsuit will be expanded to all of the doctors in Colorado who over prescribed this drug?
They flat out lied about how addictive OxyContin was. When it first came out, they marketed it as a less addictive replacement for Vicodin or Percocet.