Ocasio-Cortez knocks Barstool Sports founder over threat to fire unionizing

[bluedogdem]

Unions suck they only gave us 2 days off for a work week

[Steel-W0LF]

@Jezcoe

@Steel-W0LF

@Jezcoe

@LucyLou

@WuWei

Only if you © can’t stand the competition. Value is individual, not collective. Discretionary effort must be rewarded to be realized.

Of course value also accrues to a group.

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

It’s a negotiation when both parties are allowed to leave the table. But that’s not the way union labor laws work.

I’m fine with actual collective negotiation.

I am glad that you are fine with collective negotiation.

Maybe the understanding that without the protections of law, historically the alternative is a lot of violence is understood also.

Threatening violence if someone doesn’t give you something they own has a different legal word.

[sikofit]

@LucyLou

There is no requirement that negotiation be relegated to the individual.

You would think that’s self explanatory

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

It doesn’t improve “everyone’s” interest.

[WuWei]

@LucyLou

@WuWei

Only if you © can’t stand the competition. Value is individual, not collective. Discretionary effort must be rewarded to be realized.

Of course value also accrues to a group.

No, it doesn’t.

[WuWei]

@LucyLou

There is no requirement that negotiation be relegated to the individual.

The requirement comes from the value.

[sikofit]

@Jezcoe

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

Some people don’t want their neighbors doing as well as them

[LucyLou]

Of course it does.

[Jezcoe]

@Steel-W0LF

@Jezcoe

@Steel-W0LF

@Jezcoe

@LucyLou

@WuWei

Only if you © can’t stand the competition. Value is individual, not collective. Discretionary effort must be rewarded to be realized.

Of course value also accrues to a group.

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

It’s a negotiation when both parties are allowed to leave the table. But that’s not the way union labor laws work.

I’m fine with actual collective negotiation.

I am glad that you are fine with collective negotiation.

Maybe the understanding that without the protections of law, historically the alternative is a lot of violence is understood also.

Threatening violence if someone doesn’t give you something they own has a different legal word.

I am not threatening violence, but I understand that the end result of all this…when put into the context of history… is a lot of violence from both the union and the union busting sides.

So which is better?

A lot of violence, or lawful protections of labor to organize without threat?

I think the latter is much better.

[Jezcoe]

@sikofit

@Jezcoe

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

Some people don’t want their neighbors doing as well as them

Drag people down just to stand on their shoulders.

[WuWei]

@LucyLou

Of course it does.

No, it doesn’t. Every cashier is not equally valuable to Dollar General.

Every fitter is not equally valuable to Ford.

Every worker is not equally valuable to any company. In fact, to paraphrase something attributed to Heraclitus from 500 BC:

“Out of every one hundred workers, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are just doing the minimum to draw a check, nine are the real workers, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the job. Ah, but the one, one is a hand, and he will get it done.”

[WuWei]

@sikofit

@Jezcoe

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

Some people don’t want their neighbors doing as well as them

My neighbor has nothing to do with my situation, nor me his.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

@sikofit

@Jezcoe

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

Some people don’t want their neighbors doing as well as them

Drag people down just to stand on their shoulders.

What a stupid post.

[gooddad409]

@WuWei

@merickson

Unions make jobs worth having. Unions are the difference between a job and wage slavery.

And when you point at the child labor and overtime laws and other laws protecting labor, point at the unions who were the driving force behind those laws’ passage.

I’ve never been a union member in my life and I make good money.

Same here. I made a good bit more than the autoworkers for example working for one of those “evil” corporations.

I had an industrial electrical trade and worked 40 years for the company.

Retired now.

[sikofit]

@WuWei

@sikofit

@Jezcoe

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

Some people don’t want their neighbors doing as well as them

My neighbor has nothing to do with my situation, nor me his.

Just saying how odd it is for someone to have an issue with the method someones else uses to better their position in life. Especially when it doesn’t affect them

I understand having an issue with government unions but not private ones

[Jezcoe]

@sikofit

@WuWei

@sikofit

@Jezcoe

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

Some people don’t want their neighbors doing as well as them

My neighbor has nothing to do with my situation, nor me his.

Just saying how odd it is for someone to have an issue with the method someones else uses to better their position in life. Especially when it doesn’t affect them

I understand having an issue with government unions but not private ones

Governments can be just as an abusive employer as private entities… sometimes even more so.

[gooddad409]

@Steel-W0LF

@Jezcoe

@Steel-W0LF

@Jezcoe

@LucyLou

@WuWei

Only if you © can’t stand the competition. Value is individual, not collective. Discretionary effort must be rewarded to be realized.

Of course value also accrues to a group.

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

It’s a negotiation when both parties are allowed to leave the table. But that’s not the way union labor laws work.

I’m fine with actual collective negotiation.

I am glad that you are fine with collective negotiation.

Maybe the understanding that without the protections of law, historically the alternative is a lot of violence is understood also.

Threatening violence if someone doesn’t give you something they own has a different legal word.

Makes me proud i was never a union member. Threatening violence is an immoral approach imo.

[Jezcoe]

@gooddad409

@Steel-W0LF

@Jezcoe

@Steel-W0LF

@Jezcoe

@LucyLou

@WuWei

Only if you © can’t stand the competition. Value is individual, not collective. Discretionary effort must be rewarded to be realized.

Of course value also accrues to a group.

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

It’s a negotiation when both parties are allowed to leave the table. But that’s not the way union labor laws work.

I’m fine with actual collective negotiation.

I am glad that you are fine with collective negotiation.

Maybe the understanding that without the protections of law, historically the alternative is a lot of violence is understood also.

Threatening violence if someone doesn’t give you something they own has a different legal word.

Makes me proud i was never a union member. Threatening violence is an immoral approach imo.

The threat of violence isn’t one sided.

[Steel-W0LF]

@sikofit

@WuWei

@sikofit

@Jezcoe

It’s almost like working with people to better everyone’s individual interest is a foreign concept.

Some people don’t want their neighbors doing as well as them

My neighbor has nothing to do with my situation, nor me his.

Just saying how odd it is for someone to have an issue with the method someones else uses to better their position in life. Especially when it doesn’t affect them

I understand having an issue with government unions but not private ones

I.e. extortion is ok as long as it’s against someone else.

[sikofit]

@Jezcoe

Governments can be just as an abusive employer as private entities… sometimes even more so.

I don’t agree with it those who object to government unions but at least I understand the thinking behind it