So?
Economists have been watching ADP’s data more closely than usual because of the delays in government data. But they warn that ADP’s data doesn’t fully replace the official statistics. It measures only the private sector, meaning it does not reflect federal job cuts. And ADP’s client base, though large, isn’t fully representative of the overall U.S. economy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/03/business/jobs-adp-economy.html
but not “aren’t”. good progress for “normal” people
so it could be a large number or small
thats very vague.
Allan
ah but, could be large
Yet, they are. Just because it doesn’t fit your contrived narrative doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
There is no reason for the IRS to share ITIN data with ICE if undocumented immigrants are not using ITINs. It’s been noted in articles for decades that illegals need to get an ITIN to pay their taxes to show their good intentions on the path to possibly becoming a green card holder.
also could be small. there are no solid numbers.
Allan
cant rule it out.
i’m glad we finally agree on this.
so basically a non factor since we cant put a number on it, concretely.
Allan
. yeah keep dreaming up them narratives
“we don’t know exact numbers so it’s what I imagine”
Wouldn’t this show up as a labor shortage in those industries?
in which industries?
Wait a minute…you think an AI-assisted search is more reliable than a blog?
i think you need to re-read through the thread
The industries that hire most undocumented workers. Probably construction, leisure and hospitality.
how many are on the payroll?
not a narrative. what you posted is vague, and open to interpretation.
not a fact.
Allan
Not the ADP jobs numbers.
It doesn’t count illegals.
what i posted is clearly factual
it is a fact that any foreigner can get a tax number.
my friend from the UK has a number.
what is not a fact is the number of illegals who have one.
Allan
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