November 2025 ADP jobs report minus 32,000

It will get way worse than this as automation and AI ramps up.

Your problem is you have never worked in an industry when they congregate. I worked in construction for years. As well as the horse business my whole life. I probably know more about how the illegals game the system than you. They love to brag.

Your link did not say that any illegals are in adp databases.

When are you going to stop?

How would an illegal being in an ADP system be “gaming the system”? That seems like the opposite of gaming the system.

indeed, gaming the system means working under the table, being paid in cash, no need for income taxes.

Allan

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You need to rethink your post.

It is you who need to rethink your posts.

How is an illegal gaming the system by being in ADP? You still haven’t explained it.

Like i said think instead of letting your hate rule you.

Does a person here illegally create documents real enough to convince his employer, who then gives that information and the person’s address to ADP?

That is apparently what some of the posters here. Think.

“Employment of Undocumented Immigrants
Legal Status and Payroll
Undocumented immigrants can be employed and placed on a payroll, but there are specific legal considerations. “

when you going to stop?

“Can be”

It did not confirm that it’s happening. The IRS link I gave you tells you exactly how you are wrong. And you keep leaning on a unsourced blog.

Primary source or unsourced blog
 hmmm

If illegal immigrants are not filing taxes and have ITINs there would be no reason to share the IRS info.

Millions of immigrants who aren’t lawfully present in the U.S., and don’t have social security numbers, use Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) to pay their taxes each year. IRS has their names and addresses.

There’s a widespread misconception that undocumented immigrants don’t pay taxes. But in 2022, undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes to federal, state, and local governments, according to a report by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP).

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Yeah there is an unfair tax burden on US manufacturers.

A US manufacturer, to brings a product to market must pay

  • property taxes
  • payroll taxes
  • mandatory health insurance
  • corporate income taxes.

But if a foreign competitor tries to supply the US market, one of those taxes will be charged.

Things have not changed much since Marco Polo and medieval times.
The government loves the merchants,
but hates and stomps on the actual producers

which means “yes”

it confirms it can

and this wasnt from a “blog”.

and guess what, i’m not digging through the IRS website looking for ways to support your point. it’s not tax season. if there’s something in there you want to cite, post it, along with the link as your source

:roll_eyes:

This entire discussion is weird. The labor survey counts illegals.

This was ADP

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you really think illegals pay income tax?

its why regular people think MAGA are gullible.

Allan

is this wrong?

can be not are.

Allan