The Constitution is merely an impediment on the path to true happiness in the socialist utopia they imagine.
Ya don’t forget in a country on the other side of the world.
Well its a better solution than you guys.
It mus be particularly galling that NZ, and previously Australia are able to recognise that a problem exists and have/had a resolve to fix it.
We in Australia have a federal election due around May this year. It is highly likely that we will kick out the current federal government.
We in Australia have an independent body to draw up electoral boundaries. Boundaries that are regular geometric shapes not irregular shapes drawn up by a political party for that party’s political advantage.
We in Australia that have laws that protect minorities through 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act.
The bottom line is that NZ WILL be changing their gun laws in the very near future. I know you are very interested so I will provide an update when they are passed in the NZ parliament.
To be so far off is quite remarkable.
I find it interesting they say self defense is not a valid reason to own a gun. It is the only reason I have a gun. What other reason would I need?
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WR I know you are ecstatic that the NZ Government will be strengthening their gun laws.
As for your last comment I wonder whether anyone on this forum would object to me transposing that sentence in the context of the events of 11/09/2001? I suspect there would be outrage; so in my opinion the last part of your post should be removed.
To speak to NZ’s and the NZ’s PM’s response shows that the vast majority of Kiwis are supportive of the actions and words of Jacinda Ardern and have warmly embraced the Muslims within the NZ society.
There is no solution which will prevent anyone with ill intent and dedicated to pulling something like this off from getting the necessary hardware with which to do it.
The effective solution would be for the leaders of the Mosque to anticipate that something like this was possible, develop a reaction plan and train to it.
The most effective solution would be to combine the latter with some of the members being armed and trained to properly respond to such an incident.
The world is never going to be risk free, what we can do is be ready to react when things go bad and mitigate the damage to the greatest extent possible.
The Gov’t sure as hell didn’t save these people and the laws prevented them from defending themselves.
You haven’t solved anything, you simply surrendered.
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No WR we believe that semi-automatics have no place in civilian life, We don’t have an irrational fear of our governments whether Labor or Liberal/National coalition.
Personally, I am no fan of the current federal government but I know that I will be able to be part of voting them out in May.
I really don’t care what New Zealand does with their gun laws. I have never even heard of New Zealand being mentioned in the news here other than when a major film is being produced there. Don’t get me wrong I am sure they are wonderful people but they are a different country with different laws as well as past. How they go forward is their business.
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They are fun to shoot and no matter how proficient you become you can always work to improve.
I’m about as well trained and experienced as anyone can be and I’ll still take 2-4 new instructor courses a year just to add to my knowledge, see what I can learn, and fine tune my own training and shooting techniques.
Laws like they have in NZ, Australia etc do nothing but create large pools of unarmed victims in waiting. The bag guys, those who are intent on doing harm and dedicated to do so will still get their hands on weapons with which to do that harm in spite of the law.
Another surrender by what used to be free people. True ecstasy.
9-11 was a huge failure created by the Reno/Gorelick wall of separation between LEO’s and Intel, we learned from that failure and that wall has been removed.
You have an irrational fear of your fellow citizens being armed.
Learn to man up and defend yourselves instead of surrendering to fear and the dictates of gov’t.
WR it might be difficult to understand that we Australians, we Kiwis do not want to go done the route that is the USA. We do not want to have a proliferation of guns. We do not believe that semi-automatics, for example, should be available to the civilian population.
The government of NZ is acting in a responsible way with the tightening of their gun laws.
And I absolutely reject the debunked concept of “good guys with guns”.
When one compares and contrasts the behaviour, actions and empathy of Jacinda Ardern with that of Donald Trump then if I was a Kiwi I would be very proud of Jacinda Ardern and New Zealand. Conversely, if I was a citizen of the USA I would hang my head in shame over Donald Trump’s lack of empathy and actions post the terrorist action in Christchurch last week.
Nobody is forcing anything on you. Get on your knees and surrender if it makes you feel safer.
Debunked? We have over 2 million lawful DGU’s in the US annually preventing or stopping crimes in progress. That hasn’t been debunked it’s simply fact.
Just as this incident shows, you can’t rely on the police to protect you when things go bad.
Because you say that we are surrendering it doesn’t make it true. I can say I will swim from Rotto to Jo’burg; it doesn’t make it true.
I know it is a source of constant irritation and regret that other countries have the resolve to address mass shootings compared to the inertia of the USA.
That’s exactly what you have done and what you are hoping the NZ’s will now do.
You have surrendered your most basic rights for protections the gov’t cannot provide.
The only “irritation” here is yourself returning to the same ole “we’re better than you are” BS you kept spouting on the other board.
Do what you want with your laws, we don’t care as it doesn’t affect us and we’re not the folks trying to dictate to you what laws you should impose.
You on the otherhand wait for another mass shooting to come here and pontificate attempting to dictate to us what we should do.
Let me make this simple, it’s none of your damned business. We like our 2nd Amendment and won’t be giving up our rights or dropping to our knees in surrender on the premise the gov’t knows best and will step in and protect us when things go bad.
We know better.
