We have.
Better tell that to POTUS.
I don’t think he knows.
Allan
We have.
Better tell that to POTUS.
I don’t think he knows.
Allan
Operation cyclone.
St Ronnie was a neocon in disguise.
Who knew…
Allan
Grammar.
“Than”
That’s par for the course.
Who says I am wrong?
Who says you are right?
Road to War
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/07/politics/what-is-nato-article-5/index.html
Watch this get amplified
Who benefits from a nuclear war?
Unless you are thinking no one is thinking that far ahead?
Paul_Thomson: Striker840:NATO is defensive, not offensive.
NATO never lies and is never and will never be duplicitous. Putin can take their word to the bank.
Gullible much ?
Pardon me for believing that NATO as designed is defensive in nature. Pardon me for not falling down the conspiracy theorist rabbit hole.
It was designed as defensive and nature.
However…tell me…how was it threatened by Serbia?
There’s design, and there’s actuation.
I think that’s what people are talking about.
NATO was used offensively in Serbia, obstensibly for a “humanitarian cause”.
But they didn’t get UN OK to do that, so NATO nations violated the UN Charter.
What do you think Russia sees from that?
Think it’s just coincidence between NATO expansion and EU expansion?
Just luck of the draw?
Or are you talking about Yugoslavia and Libya…where not one single NATO country was attacked but NATO attacked first?
Thought those were UN sanctioned operations. Were you against those as well?
Of course Clinton/Obama was in office at those times so one has to ask if your stance is purely partisan.
WuWei:Road to War
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/07/politics/what-is-nato-article-5/index.html
Watch this get amplified
Who benefits from a nuclear war?
Unless you are thinking no one is thinking that far ahead?
I didn’t say anything about newklear
Expansion policies of EU is very neo-conish.
So right now the democratic administration is levying sanctions on russia and sending support to Ukraine.
How is that indicative of EU expansionist policy?
WuWei: Striker840:Gonna have to agree to disagree. NATO was no threat to Putin.
Going to have to disagree.
NATO is defensive, not offensive. As long as Russia left NATO countries alone they were in zero danger of attack. Basically a “don’t start anything, there won’t be anything” scenario.
What did Libya do to cause NATO to defend itself and wipe it out?
Something happened between the Iraq war and now to have the left and neocons come together for endless wars. Dems are neocons now!
They remind of that guy in the circle at a fight he started throwing a punch over somebody else’s shoulder and then looking like “Who me?”
Why shouldn’t Ukraine, a sovereign nation, be expected to pursue alliances and memberships that suite their interests? And in return, if it suits their interests, why shouldn’t these alliances and memberships entertain the discussion?
JayJay: WuWei:Road to War
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/07/politics/what-is-nato-article-5/index.html
Watch this get amplified
Who benefits from a nuclear war?
Unless you are thinking no one is thinking that far ahead?
I didn’t say anything about newklear
A NATO/Russia conflict makes nuke war 99.9999% likely.
So who benefits from trying to push a direct confrontation?
WuWei:They remind of that guy in the circle at a fight he started throwing a punch over somebody else’s shoulder and then looking like “Who me?”
Why shouldn’t Ukraine, a sovereign nation, be expected to pursue alliances and memberships that suite their interests? And in return, if it suits their interests, why shouldn’t these alliances and memberships entertain the discussion?
They can, as long as they can defend themselves from the consequences.
WuWei:They remind of that guy in the circle at a fight he started throwing a punch over somebody else’s shoulder and then looking like “Who me?”
Why shouldn’t Ukraine, a sovereign nation, be expected to pursue alliances and memberships that suite their interests? And in return, if it suits their interests, why shouldn’t these alliances and memberships entertain the discussion?
Good question. How did an alliance with Ukraine suit the West’s interests?
They can, as long as they can defend themselves from the consequences.
Why should they expect a consequence of invasion for pursuing the interests of their sovereign country?
Should Europe only do what Putin lets them do?
Good question. How did an alliance with Ukraine suit the West’s interests?
Since they are neither a member of NATO or the EU, I would suggest the West has thus far reached the conclusion that it doesn’t.
So far Biden is resisting, check my thread. I gave him B+
Someone needs to check Plinken tho
JayJay:Good question. How did an alliance with Ukraine suit the West’s interests?
Since they are neither a member of NATO or the EU, I would suggest the West has thus far reached the conclusion that it doesn’t.
We were there though, helping to pull Ukraine towards our orbit and away from Russia’s.
We helped the Maidan happen.