More leftist stupidity in California

[tnt]

@bigtwnvin

Point taken. I’m of the opinion (some) FF restaurants have employees that are not service oriented, conscientious or possess the social skills to interact with customers paying for meals.
I also do not think doubling their wages will correct that, in their minds it will never be enough.

I disagree.

I think if people have health care, a decent wage so they can live a nice life, and the work place provides a good environment and benefits, they’ll be happy and that will result in better service.

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@bigtwnvin

Interesting
Doing some rough math, yes pay the FF workers TWICE the current hourly rate then up the menu 20%.
So then a Big Mac, fries and drink having the nutritional value of a pound of owl ■■■■ would cost roughly $8.50. About right?
Question (actually a few).
Would the FF worker be happier with that wage increase? Will they perform more efficiently and conscientiously. Will they be more friendlier to customers?
Finally will McDonalds scam on portions to be able to cover these new overheads?

Menial jobs do not attract the best and brightest or the most motivated people. Give them 22 with a 3.5%increase and they’ll still demand more.

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@tnt

@bigtwnvin

Would the FF worker be happier with that wage increase? Will they perform more efficiently and conscientiously. Will they be more friendlier to customers?

Anecdotal, but we took a trip to Norway and Iceland, where everyone had health care and good wages, and benefits, and everyone we encountered in all sorts of jobs seemed really happy and friendly.

No tipping in those countries either.

But they’re apartments are about the size of our average bathrooms…

[Optrader]

@Nemesis

The next big thing in customer service will be AI that customers will not be able to distinguish between human or AI operator.

Through my work I am involved with a number of AI related projects. Fascinating, exciting but also slightly concerning.

Great. Now a robot will be able to throw my order at me, get my order wrong and not make correct change…

[TheDoctorIsIn]

I can pretty much promise that everyone who works at Providence makes well over any minimum wage.

[zantax]

@PurpnGold

@zantax

@PurpnGold

@zantax

@PurpnGold

@zantax

Pretty sure Flippy is cheaper.

Flippy, the fast-food robot who makes fries at White Castle, gets an upgrade - CNET

So how does 15 an hour to zero sound?

It sounds like something that would happen regardless of wages.

True, this speeds it up though.

You have no evidence of this.

Hilarious. Yes I do, it’s called math.

You used math to show that automation is accelerating and is correlated with increasing wages?

Oh please share

If you can’t figure out how math is applicable in that scenario on your own I doubt I can explain it to you.

[Guntsu]

@Oryx

@Liberty323

Let the ones who bitched about “living wages” in entry-level jobs enjoy their progress.

I don’t understand this response. Robots and AI are coming regardless of “living wages,” and you’ll enjoy or suffer from that progress just like everyone else.

Entry level?

Chat GPT says hello to the white collars

We are on the cusp of an AI revolution but not in the robots kind of way.

Introducing ChatGPT

[Gaius]

Well then the law could apply to them
($22’hr minimum plus a 2.5% annual increase) and it won’t bother them at all.

Yet miraculously the law specifies fast food.
Not expensive restaurants, not trendy restaurants,
not even Olive Garden.

Just the places owned by John and Sally serving sandwiches to guys who who have their names on their shirts.

Why oh why did they exempt the restaurants that serve people who have nannies and personal assistants and summer homes and ski habits?

[zantax]

@Guntsu

@Oryx

@Liberty323

Let the ones who bitched about “living wages” in entry-level jobs enjoy their progress.

I don’t understand this response. Robots and AI are coming regardless of “living wages,” and you’ll enjoy or suffer from that progress just like everyone else.

Entry level?

Chat GPT says hello to the white collars

We are on the cusp of an AI revolution but not in the robots kind of way.

https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/

Long way from predicting what the next word in a sentence should be to doing a white collar job. Depending on the job of course, white collar is so broad as to be virtually meaningless in this context.

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@PurpnGold

@Optrader

@PurpnGold

@Optrader

McDonald’s said that would drive their prices up 20%

If this is true, then moving two $22 a hour is a great move.

Going from $15 to $22 a hour represents an almost 50% increase in wages.

So you’re telling me that their wages can go up 50% and all it costs is 20% increase in prices on a cheeseburger?

Cheeseburger goes from $2 to 2.40 but my monthly gross income goes from $2600 to $3813?

What do you think a good minimum wage amount is for CA and why?

I think a good minimum wage for California should be driven by what the market supports because that business model takes into consideration not just the worker, but the business owner AND the consumers.

In your example you ignore the poor ( and middle class) consumers completely. Aren’t you one of the guys ever so worried about the plight of the POOR students who would be affected if the government allowed parents to take money from public schools in the other thread? You also claim that government paid vouchers would drive prices upward?

So using the cost you gave ( which is low btw), parents with 3 kids could buy each child 2 cheeseburgers for 4.80 per child ( and I’m not including tax), that’s 14.40. Do the little tykes want fries? Well of course they do. 2.40 for a small order of fries sound good? Great, add another 7.20 ( plus tax ), and what would be a meal be without a drink to wash it down? Let’s make those small drinks ok? A buck each- add 3 to your running total. 24.60 + tax. But wait, were mom and dad going to eat too? It is a family meal after all. Let’s assume dad is normal, no cheeseburgers for him, he wants a dad sized sandwich. Add 8 bucks, large fry- 3.79, large drink 1.50, add 13.29 for his food but don’t forget mom! Let’s get her the same as the kids ok, another 8.20… GRAND TOTAL 46.09 + TAX! For ONE meal. And this using low low figures. Add 20%, now it’s over 55.00. Does that sound like something poor people ( or most middle class) can afford?

See, every time you whine about your deep concern for poor people, you toss that concern right out the window with stuff like this…

22 bucks an hour sounds great for the burger flippers right? Not so much for everyone else though.

It’s still a 50% increase in wages. You skipped over that part.

50% only costs 20% increase in food prices for fast food chains with over 100 restaurants?

That seems like a deal, right?

Dang you’re good. You continually ignore the whole picture and point. You forgot about the owner. If you think a mandated raising of his labor costs isn’t going to have a serious impact on his bottom line you are deluded. I don’t know what you think the profit margins are in a small restaurant, or even a McDonald’s to a franchise owner is, but I guarantee you it isn’t as large as you think. If a small restaurant owner needs 20 people to run his store and can pay them 15 dollars an hour each, might it occur to him that a 50 % increase in his labor costs and only a 20% increase in food prices is still a 30% loss to him? What might he do to compensate do you think? Let 3 or 4 employees go perhaps? And what if he loses 5% business outright because people can no longer afford his prices? Goodbye 3 or 4 more?
Oh well, at least SOME people are being helped. I thought you were an all or nothing guy though…

[Guntsu]

@zantax

Long way from predicting what the next word in a sentence should be to doing a white collar job. Depending on the job of course, white collar is so broad to be virtually meaningless in this context.

You clearly have no idea what Chat GPT does

This idea that advancements will only impact low wage workers is a pipe dream. It’s changing the entire landscape

https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/why-everyones-obsessed-with-the-mind-blowing-chatgpt-ai-chatbot/

[DougBH]

@Nemesis

I have no problem in supporting a 20% increase for services at any restaurant if if means the workers are getting a good wage.

YMMV.

Me either. I will just eat out even less than I do already.
Which is likely to be the general result.

[Gaius]

@Nemesis

I have no problem in supporting a 20% increase for services at any restaurant if if means the workers are getting a good wage.

YMMV.

Fair enough
but why only Fast Food?
Why not fancy restaurants in the Napa Valley?

And why limit only to restaurants and not include vineyard workers, housekeepers, massage therapists, aroma therapy counter personnel, yoga instructors, hairdressers, golf caddies,
personal shoppers, nannies and personal assistants to the rich and famous?
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No this law is not about a living wage.
It is about the gov’t declaring it hates a sector of industry and punishing it in a politically-palatable way. (Get it? Palatable??)

[zantax]

@Guntsu

@zantax

Long way from predicting what the next word in a sentence should be to doing a white collar job. Depending on the job of course, white collar is so broad to be virtually meaningless in this context.

You clearly have no idea what Chat GPT does

This idea that advancements will only impact low wage workers is a pipe dream. It’s changing the entire landscape

https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/why-everyones-obsessed-with-the-mind-blowing-chatgpt-ai-chatbot/

Oh yes, it’s ready to take over, from your link…

You can ask it countless questions and often will get an answer that’s useful.

Here’s the catch: ChatGPT doesn’t exactly know anything. It’s an AI that’s trained to recognize patterns in vast swaths of text harvested from the internet, then further trained with human assistance to deliver more useful, better dialog. The answers you get may sound plausible and even authoritative, but they might well be entirely wrong, as OpenAI warns.

Sounds like the perfect employee, not.

[Guntsu]

Did I say ready to take over?

I mean sure it’s no flippy

We are far off from entirely replacing humans, what’s coming is software that will increase productivity to levels humans alone cannot reach.

[bigtwnvin]

@Optrader

Great. Now a robot will be able to throw my order at me, get my order wrong and not make correct change…

Now this is funny!

[zantax]

@Guntsu

Did I say ready to take over?

I mean sure it’s no flippy

We are far off from entirely replacing humans, what’s coming is software that will increase productivity to levels humans alone cannot reach.

Nice about face.

[Guntsu]

I understand

[Safiel]

Star Trek TOS The Ultimate Computer - Attack on Freighter Scene

I would kind of be cautious about how much power you give those computers.

[zantax]

If AI ever really start taking white collar jobs, that can be remedied immediately by electing one to office, they will be outlawed the next day. If you can’t pull that one off, hire a few as lawyers, same result.