Molech is alive and well

An old adage: Two men look out through the bars…One sees the mud and the other sees the stars.

Look, it does not bother me that other Christians believe in a literal Rapture. These people connected to the essential wisdom and teachings of the Bible. They love God and await his coming.

On the other hand, people who are not strong in their faith–or people who outright scorn the idea of God–use things such as a literal translation of Rapture to support this scorn of God. And that I cannot abide. They can scorn God all they wish, but they should first have the correct understanding of what the original author was conveying–and who he was originally communicating with.

To those of us who love God, it does not matter that some think that people will disappear up into the air into the arms of God. While the rest of us do not think it will happen in this way, the end result is the same. In the end, we will be in the arms of God.

Huh? I was comparing the worship of a God that rules by fear and punishment and claims “love” to wives that stay with husbands that beat them or are afraid of, because of “love”. It isnt love what you are preaching. Its fear, punishment, and absolute power.

You are not allowed to take the ugly parts of the bible literally. Only the parts where Jesus performed magic

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Yes, those Clintons are paragons of virtue… :roll_eyes:
And how about those Kennedys?

It’s hard to have a conversation with someone so deluded they can’t admit any truth whatsoever about the people they support…

Congrats. Trump supporters now have sunk to rationalizing trump as just like the Clinton.

I voted for johnson in 2012. I was going to vote johnson in 2016 but after his Aleppo comment I stayed home. I didnt vote for cllinton. Did you vote for Trump?

When did Obama cheat on his wife with a porn star and try to pay her off while lying about it? Say what you want about Obama’s policies but at least he wasnt scum.

Not at all. I fully admit Trump’s faults in my first sentence of this post. Criticize away. But adoration of Hillary and Bill at the expense of truth is silly and not beneficial to our country.

But Hillary…

Classic trump response

Not all social programs bring about the stated desire of the program, and some actually cause more long term harm than good. The other thing about social programs is that they require taking money from one person ( who actually earned it) and giving to another ( who earned nothing). This situations creates an imbalance and inherent unfair condition. The trick is finding ways that are fair to all… Isn’t that the liberal mantra? Fairness?

And you’re for open borders and taking guns, as long as you and you’re loved ones are safe behind walls and protected by armed guards.See how paint brushes wielded without common sense work?

You mean paint brushes that paint an entire human race on the brink of rapture where a God will punish all us heathens?

None of this answers the question. How does cutting social programs for children exemplify a pro-life mentality?

Because we cant do corporate stock buybacks if we help poor children

Do you have a specific program in mind where funding was cut?

Do you think we should have federally funded social programs that help pay for the health care of children?

Do you agree with me that it rings hollow when a Trump supporter creates a thread bemoaning moral decline?

CHIP has almost always been the subject of proposed cuts by the GOP

The argument will be “CHIP didnt get cut” as if we should ignore those who want to cut it

I tend towards a more narrow focus. Optrader was wondering about the advent of the second coming, whether the population is now so corrupt as to warrant this happening.

Your focus appears to be more on government. I am not in favor of government throwing money at a problem as the way to fix it. I am not in favor of government run social programs. In my opinion, those should be solidly in the hands of the people, because (my belief) people are called to help those in need. We are not called to set up a government bureaucracy to help people in need so that we don’t have to think about it, let alone bother with doing what we should be doing ourselves.