MLK Book banning due to CRT

[Jezcoe]

@Liberty323

@Dem

@Liberty323

@PAmoderate37

@Dem

That’s the goal. They want a sanitized version of history taught to students.

Many on that side do want a sanitized version of history taught, of course many on the other side want today’s white kids to feel guilty and shame for what other white people long ago did.

Not only that, but they want any work by the “racist, dead white males” eliminated. Out with Shakespeare and Dante, in with Rigoberta Menchu and bell hooks.

Well that’s not true. No one is for the removing of Shakespeare or Dante because they are “racist dead white males”.

Also, your choice of authors aside. What is wrong with expanding what is taught, and teaching other authors?

No problem with expansion of learning, but not for “woke” reasons.

[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/15/woke-teachers-want-shakespeare-cut-curriculum-abou/]

Shakespeare is usually taught poorly… so better to leave it to college level IMO.

[biggestal99]

@Dem

That’s the goal. They want a sanitized version of history taught to students.

The United States didn’t drop the a bomb on Hiroshima in 1945

They dropped leaflets only.

Allan

[Dem]

An extreme minority of teachers and a Twitter hashtag.

This is just the right doing what they accuse of the left. Finding extreme views, held by a small group of people and applying it to the whole.

[Jezcoe]

@Dem

An extreme minority of teachers and a Twitter hashtag.

This is just the right doing what they accuse of the left. Finding extreme views, held by a small group of people and applying it to the whole.

In that article you have a teacher taking about teaching the play “Coriolanus”.

That is not a High School level Shakespeare play.

No one reads that play. It’s really boring.

That is why I find that article funny.

[DougBH]

@Sknyluv

@DougBH

Nah. We were taught about slave trade and slavery in the sixties. Nobody, or virtually nobody, wants to stop that. They just don’t want to go through every whipping that was ever given out, use that to explain why someone is having trouble with math, and why it was all the fault of white people, like little privileged Johnny over there.

This sounds like an exaggeration.

Maybe. So did the posts about “they just don’t want to teach black history.”

[DougBH]

@biggestal99

@Dem

That’s the goal. They want a sanitized version of history taught to students.

The United States didn’t drop the a bomb on Hiroshima in 1945

They dropped leaflets only.

Allan

Show me one history book in a school that covers WWII that doesn’t mention using the atomic bomb.

[Dem]

I’ve never read it. But that is a weird choice for High school.

[DougBH]

Shakespeare teaches itself. All you have to do is read Hamlet or MacBeth, and maybe show a couple of the movies. It is impossible to “teach” that badly.

[Jezcoe]

@DougBH

Shakespeare teaches itself. All you have to do is read Hamlet or MacBeth, and maybe show a couple of the movies. It is impossible to “teach” that badly.

It is so easy to teach badly.

Romeo and Juliet is probably the most misunderstood play in history because of poor understanding from High School.

I went to a school of Arts for theater for high school…. And the instruction I got in Shakespeare there was light years away from my “normal” high school.

I am behind that if we want children to appreciate arts… first introduce them to the arts that they can relate most closely with and then go back to the foundational canon.

[biggestal99]

@DougBH

Show me one history book in a school that covers WWII that doesn’t mention using the atomic bomb

In Japan?

Allan

[DougBH]

I had no problem relating to Macbeth, Hamlet, Othello. Sorry you did.

[DougBH]

@biggestal99

@DougBH

Show me one history book in a school that covers WWII that doesn’t mention using the atomic bomb

In Japan?

Allan

Anywhere.

[Dem]

@Jezcoe

I am behind that if we want children to appreciate arts… first introduce them to the arts that they can relate most closely with and then go back to the foundational canon.

I’ve never thought of it that way. But that’s a really smart way to go about teaching literature.

I’ve always thought that having a decent understanding of foundational canon would go a long way to better appreciating media and art in general.

Starting with relatable media first, and then going back and explaining references, and timeless themes is a great way to teaching “boring” subjects like Shakespeare.

[Jezcoe]

@DougBH

I had no problem relating to Macbeth, Hamlet, Othello. Sorry you did.

Oh… I had zero problem with it.

Othello is one of my favorite plays… even with the racist soliloquy that everyone cuts out because there is no need for it.

There are more accessible and exciting plays than Shakespeare.

I would go with August Wilson over Shakespeare any day.

[Jezcoe]

@Dem

@Jezcoe

I am behind that if we want children to appreciate arts… first introduce them to the arts that they can relate most closely with and then go back to the foundational canon.

I’ve never thought of it that way. But that’s a really smart way to go about teaching literature.

I’ve always thought that having a decent understanding of foundational canon would go a long way to better appreciating media and art in general.

Starting with relatable media first, and then going back and explaining references, and timeless themes is a great way to teaching “boring” subjects like Shakespeare.

Contemporary art is the most relatable art because it is an expression of the now.

It may be ephemeral and will not last… but an appreciation of it allows for one to go back and see the artistic conversation happen in reverse.

It is easy to teach artistically where we are right now… going back then to the various movements and reactions then makes it more relatable to what we see today.

That is just my opinion though.

[Jezcoe]

Also if you want to teach German Opera… play a bunch of Looney Tunes.

[Impenitent]

@Jezcoe

Also if you want to teach German Opera… play a bunch of Looney Tunes.

or Apocalypse Now

[Jezcoe]

@Impenitent

@Jezcoe

Also if you want to teach German Opera… play a bunch of Looney Tunes.

or Apocalypse Now

So much more accessible than “Heart of Darkness”

Man is that some dense prose.

[Dem]

@Jezcoe

Also if you want to teach German Opera… play a bunch of Looney Tunes.

I owe my love for classical music and jazz to Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@PAmoderate37

@Orygun

Do you mean the teaching about the history of black people in this country? Do you think that should not be taught anymore?

All history should be taught in the context of history. If the way it’s taught causes a young black kid to look at his white classmate and them blame that white class mate for his lot in life then that’s what is wrong. Also, how many teenagers in today’s history classes know how slaves ended up in chains on white slaves ships? Or is that part of history omitted for some reason?

How about an extensive course on the history of slavery throughout human history? Along with touching on the connecting subjects of philosophy, psycology, sociology, economics and their influences on the practice of slavery?