Matt Gaetz under federal investigation for relationship with underaged girl

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@conan

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You are describing the destruction of American manufacturing which began in the 70s not in the 90s

After it peak in 79…

All manufacturing? Or one industry?

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@Samm

No it does not matter what the Judge says. If I’m on a Jury, I can decide on my own for whatever reason I choose that the either law or the application of the law in the particular case, is unjust. Jury deliberations are closed even to the Judge.

Again, you are espousing Liberal ideology.

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@Samm

Maybe these people here think that Gaetz is to blame for the DoJ dropping the investigation too.

Why would Gaetz be to blame?

[conan]

@FreeAndClear

All manufacturing? Or one industry?

Not all, but heavy industry and manufacturing took a hit after Japan and Germany got their industry/industrial base going.

And that’s a fact…

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@Samm

I was predicting doom and gloom with Trump as the GOP candidate all the way back to early 2016. But I accepted reality on November 9, 2016. It’s time you do too.

I was a strong supporter of Trump in his first term. I voted for him in 2016 and again in 2020. I didn’t vote for anyone in 2024.

In a couple of recent threads, my Trump comments have been pretty upbeat.

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@conan

@FreeAndClear

All manufacturing? Or one industry?

Not all, but heavy industry and manufacturing took a hit after Japan and Germany got their industry/industrial base going.

And that’s a fact…

No not all. That is a fact. 70s is when the dying towns became a thing

I don’t think all of you agree that the hell is on the economic level. I think what being noted is that the hell is on the social level.

[Samm]

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@Samm

Idealism is a Lib trait. In the real world, Juries can nullify laws.

The fact that changing location by a few feet (crossing from one state to another) can determine whether a person is old enough to have sex with legally tells you how arbitrary the law is. Sixteen and seventeen yr-old have fought and died in wars. Don’t tell them they are too immature to have sex with an older person.

You continue to display your liberal believes in this matter. With liberalism, the law is never the law as written. It is always subject to one’s feelings about the law and about the people being accused. There are always circumstances that need to be considered.

With conservatives, the law is very rigid. It makes no difference about a victim’s perceived maturity. It makes no difference whether sexual intercourse takes place 1 day before a victim’s 18th birthday. It makes no difference that the age of consent across a border a few feet away is 18. The law is the law.

With my above comments, I’m not trying to preach right or wrong. I’m simply explaining the difference between liberal and conservative positions. My position is very much the conservative position, while yours is very much the liberal position.

Not liberal … Libertarian.

[Samm]

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@Samm

No it does not matter what the Judge says. If I’m on a Jury, I can decide on my own for whatever reason I choose that the either law or the application of the law in the particular case, is unjust. Jury deliberations are closed even to the Judge.

Again, you are espousing Liberal ideology.

Libertarian. And perfectly Constitutional.

[Samm]

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@Samm

Maybe these people here think that Gaetz is to blame for the DoJ dropping the investigation too.

Why would Gaetz be to blame?

My point exactly.

[Samm]

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@Samm

I was predicting doom and gloom with Trump as the GOP candidate all the way back to early 2016. But I accepted reality on November 9, 2016. It’s time you do too.

I was a strong supporter of Trump in his first term. I voted for him in 2016 and again in 2020. I didn’t vote for anyone in 2024.

In a couple of recent threads, my Trump comments have been pretty upbeat.

Are you trying to validate yourself?

[conan]

I’m assuming this is acceptable source.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-9/forty-years-of-falling-manufacturing-employment.htm

Again…1979 was peak year. Factories and heavy industry was still employing people in my home state. At that time it leveled off. Yes there were union jobs available…but nepotism ran amok.

[Guilds]

Immigrants are part of the cause …when it comes to decline in union participation.

Certainly not the main reason…

Remember this?

Ronald Reagan supported the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PATCO) during his 1980 presidential campaign. PATCO endorsed Reagan, who was previously the president of the Screen Actors Guild, and Reagan promised to support the union’s fight for better working conditions. However, after PATCO members went on strike in 1981, Reagan fired 11,345 of them, decertified their union, and prosecuted their leaders.

You don’t think that had an effect on unions following that betrayal?

[conan]

@Guilds

You don’t think that had an effect on unions following that betrayal?

It might have…but other things were in play that far outweighed anything that Reagan done.

Unions had to compete with Japan and Germany and they didn’t want to adopt.

Also Taiwan was becoming and industrial base/powerhouse.

In late 70’s Rockwell industry was going through a hard time because of competing industries from other countries…so when the union for second time in two year went on strike…they said ■■■■ it and sold off their small tool line to porter cable. They were some of best tools at the time…and then heavier tools like lathes table saws sander, bandsaw you name it moved to Taiwan to set up shop. Few years later it become what most people may know as Grizzly Industry.

Reagan didn’t do that…unions did.

[FreeAndClear]

Right. Why are you ignoring the collapse between 1978 and 1986

Yes. The current drops were much bigger no doubt. I don’t argue against reality but that initial drop should not be ignored. The chart completely supports my point as to when it started and supports your points to when it was at its worst. It also shows that the biggest drop was during a gop presidency.

But you can’t argue with when it started

[FreeAndClear]

That’s a gop presidency btw. Dems!!

[conan]

@FreeAndClear

Right. Why you ignoring the collapse between 1978 and 1986

Yes. The current drops were much bigger no doubt. I don’t argue against reality but that initial drop should not be ignored. The chart completely supports my point as to when it started and supports your points to when it was at its worst.

But you can’t argue with when it started

Decline of small town industries started in late 70’s and early 80’s…that’s a fact.

Also I’m guess completion of interstate highway system hurt small town all over America.

Then you add best and brightest of young stock went on to college because of success of industrial era…people could offered to send their kids to college, first ones in their family to do so.

That had long term effect IMO.

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@FreeAndClear

That’s a gop presidency btw. Dems!!

That was globalization…exact thing that I was saying at beginning of this discussion.

Say…did it take you this long to catch up?

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@WuWei

Why are you talking about laws, there is no criminal investigation.

There is an ethics probe into behavior that is illegal in Florida. The activity wasn’t discovered until someone came forward. The statute of limitations had likely expired, so local law enforcement was not involved. But the activity was obviously followed up on by the House ethics committee.

Wrong. No credible witness.

It doesn’t matter that it was illegal in Florida, it’s not a criminal case.

[WuWei]

You know full well there’s much more to life than eCoNoMic!

[WuWei]

No cite for the source? Tsk, tsk.