Marines urged to stop using “Sir and Ma’am”?

[WuWei]

It is if they use maggotx

[zantax]

@Oryx

@STODR

Have you ever been in? The inside doesn’t pick the leaders that make policy.

@zantax

Not exactly a bottom up organization

Gotta start somewhere.

General Lloyd J. Austin III, hails from Thomasville, Georgia. He was commissioned an Infantry second lieutenant in 1975 upon graduation from the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York.

Thirty-eight years later:

General Austin assumed command of United States Central Command on 22 March 2013, and turned over command to General Joseph Votel on 30 March 2016.

Lloyd J. Austin III > U.S. Central Command > Bio Article View

And? He didn’t rise to the top against the wishes of his superiors.

[Guvnah]

@Oryx

@Guvnah

Drinkers are being asked to stop using non-inclusive terms like “happy hour” and “pub crawl” …

Are you joking? What’s wrong with those?

Like I said in the part you cut out, " I wouldn’t know how to tell."

[Guvnah]

@e7alr

Don’t confuse observing customs and courtesy protocols with respect.

Two sides of the “respect” coin. Outward showing of respect through required gestures and statements does not equate to what is internally held by the one showing respect.

I love how commentators sarcastically use the phrase, “with all due respect…” Mark Levin does it a lot.

[WuWei]

@Guvnah

Outward showing of respect through required gestures and statements does not equate to what is internally held by the one showing respect.

Then it’s hypocrisy and enabling of the culture of respect is deserved, not earned.

I served with some of the finest officers the US military ever produced. Salutes meant something and were a pleasure to render.

[Guvnah]

@Samm

Do you remember Lieutenant/Captain Sobel (played by David Schwimmer) in Band of Brothers? None of his subordinates respected him regardless of his rank.

Yup. I was thinking of the exact same example. His subordinates performed the motions of “respect”, and that was the extent of their respect for him.

[DMK]

Oh geeze, that had to have left a mark

[Guvnah]

@WuWei

Then it’s hypocrisy and enabling of the culture of respect is deserved, not earned.

In the military it most certainly is (or at least, was) deserved. No doubt, plenty of officers also earn the respect of their subordinates.

Likewise, I respect our president for the office he holds, and if I were ever in his presence, I would perform all the protocol due the office. But I do not internally respect Biden in the least. I have no qualms about declaring that alleged hypocrisy in me.

[WuWei]

@Guvnah

In the military it most certainly is (or at least, was) deserved. No doubt, plenty of officers also earn the respect of their subordinates.

Thanks for the lesson.

[Guvnah]

@WuWei

Thanks for the lesson.

Normally I charge 50 cents for that.

But consider it my Christmas gift to you. This time.

[WuWei]

I’d have not known anything about the military if not for you.

[peek-a-boo]

@WuWei

Then it’s hypocrisy and enabling of the culture of respect is deserved, not earned.

I served with some of the finest officers the US military ever produced. Salutes meant something and were a pleasure to render.

Most of the time when I rendered a salute, I did so out of respect for the rank - knowing nothing about the person I was saluting. As with any manager, I served under some good officers and some bad ones. Again, I always showed respect for my managers both in civilian life and in the military. Regardless of how I felt about them and their management style, they earned those positions of authority.

The major difference between civilian authority and military authority is that I could up and leave a bad civilian manager. I worked for some really bad ones but chose to outlast them rather than leave.

I reserved my true feelings towards those managers for my close circle of friends and family.

[zantax]

I could never tolerate having a boss. Not in my nature.

[peek-a-boo]

@zantax

I could never tolerate having a boss. Not in my nature.

Are you married?

[bigtwnvin]

Austin’s military career is impeccable. Now he’s a ■■■■■■■ politician and has abandoned the Uniformed Services. The Afghanistan debacle is a case in point. With Austin’s experience, where was the tactical planning for that ■■■■ show?
The wokeism agenda now prevalent in the military?
Pronouns before readiness or recruitment?
Prove me wrong.

[Oryx]

@STODR

Lol you don’t know what you are talking about. That doesn’t show he was opposed to the direction of the Marines when he started and still made it. He made it that far by agreeing with that crap. If he was an advocate against he would not have made it, and yes I do know that for a fact.

LOL, I didn’t say anything about him opposing anything. Try responding to what I actually post for a change.

[STODR]

Oh come on that was the very crux of the conversation. You stated to make changes from withen and used him as an example. Sorry you can’t even remember what you wrote.

@Oryx

Gotta start somewhere.

General Lloyd J. Austin III, hails from Thomasville, Georgia. He was commissioned an Infantry second lieutenant in 1975 upon graduation from the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York.

Thirty-eight years later:

General Austin assumed command of United States Central Command on 22 March 2013, and turned over command to General Joseph Votel on 30 March 2016.

In response to this.

@STODR

@Oryx

Or every conservative should encourage their children to sign up to fix the problems from within

Have you ever been in? The inside doesn’t pick the leaders that make policy.

[Oryx]

Again, as you can see, I didn’t say anything about opposing the system. I posted the Austin bio simply to show that everyone starts small but can eventually rise to a position of influence. You seem to think no conservative could do so, and I believe you. I don’t know enough about how people are promoted to argue otherwise.

That said, I still think it’s a mistake to cede the military to the left by encouraging conservative kids not to sign up. This thread identifies a problem, but what’s the solution?

[STODR]

@Oryx

I posted the Austin bio simply to show that everyone starts small but can eventually rise to a position of influence.

You posted his bio in response to making a change from the inside. Every single person in military starts at the bottom whether in Officer side or Enlisted side. So showing he made it to the top by starting at the bottom makes no sense because every single General did that. The only sense it could have made, especially since that is what we were talking about, is if he made even though he was in opposition to the desires of the civilian leadership who selects them.

[Oryx]

Okay, fine. So what are solutions to the problems you see in the military? Do you think conservative kids not signing up would help?