Liberal-A Badge not a Perjorative

The word “liberal” gets thrown around here a lot. Mostly as a perjorative and mostly because dumbasses don’t know their history.

The first one I remember really going at it was Reagan.

Funny thing is, the US was founded on liberal principles. Straight across the board.

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

Liberals have typically maintained that humans are naturally in “a State of perfect Freedom to order their Actions…as they think fit…without asking leave, or depending on the Will of any other Man” (Locke, 1960 [1689]: 287). Mill too argued that “the burden of proof is supposed to be with those who are against liberty; who contend for any restriction or prohibition…. The a priori assumption is in favour of freedom…” (1963, vol. 21: 262). Recent liberal thinkers such as as Joel Feinberg (1984: 9), Stanley Benn (1988: 87) and John Rawls (2001: 44, 112) agree. Liberalism is a philosophy that starts from a premise that political authority and law must be justified. If citizens are obliged to exercise self-restraint, and especially if they are obliged to defer to someone else’s authority, there must be a reason why. Restrictions on liberty must be justified.

A simpler definition for MAGAites:
Wikipedia

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, and equality before the law.[1][2] Liberals espouse various and sometimes conflicting views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion.[3] Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.

*NOTE-That “rule of law” doesn’t mean being sheep. Look it up.

I think we can all agree the founding documents are dripping with it. That these are principles worth serving for.

I am a liberal. It’s the American Way.

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Yeah. Classical liberals are not what people mean when they use the term "lib’. They are referring to todays crop of would be socialists who hate free speech and misuse the term “democracy” to mean “you must agree with all my big state programs and social engineering”
“Leftist” is a more realistic term.
Todays “Libs” are the opposite of individual rights. They want to tell you what kind of car to drive and what kind of stove you can use.

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I didn’t say anything about “lib.”

Are you a liberal?

Lib is short for liberal as you certainly know, what definitely does not mean a classical liberal.
As you once knew.
No game playing.

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It’s not short for it when you corrupt the term and misuse it.

Are you a liberal?

Just like MAGA is not “conservative.”

If by that do you mean are all of Trumps ideas conservative? No they are not. For instance the idea of handing out a nother $2000 stimulous when instead the national debt could be reduced.

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No. I mean just what I said. MAGA is not “conservative.”

None of Trump’s ideas are remotely “conservative.”

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Sadly, this topic appears to be more of a case of "Wusplaining, than a history lesson, or appeal to classical liberalism.

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NOTE

No liberals were hurt in the making of this thread.

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Liberal - the word - today describes people who are so full of themselves that they think they can cause part of the US to grind to a halt, chaos at the airports, people to starve and to without what they need, and every other thing that was put at a disadvantage and people should be ok with that.

Liberal/Democrat, the words leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It was lawful for them to do that, but it was not the right thing to do.

If Liberal is a badge, it is a badge of dishonor IMO.

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A true liberal wouldn’t attempt to define terms for others. :wink:

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precisely. the term has been hijacked by the idea-less destructive left, to hide what they actually represent and tend towards which is anything but “liberating”

others use the term as a sort of personally prescribed license to oppose the current admin

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Bah. Words mean things.

The China Flu response and continued safety over free will PR taught me who the genuine Authentic Liberals are.

No thanks.

:wink:

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Good opinion, I agree.

I understand. I only speak for myself and liberalism. Both the woke left and woke right must destroy liberalism.

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Truth hurts?

It’s in your definition.

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Indeed. And now MAGA is doing the same and worse.