Let us be clear. President Trump cannot shut down the federal government!

[johnwk2]

@bullseyelqcs

You wrote the above. The implication of the above is that if the border were somehow MORE secure, there would be less apprehensions. That, of course, is wrong. If the border were secure, there would indeed be more apprehensions, which I pointed out to you. Trying to claim that what we implied wasn’t what you were actually trying to get across is just being intellectually dishonest, and you know it.

Just admit that your premise was wrong and move on.

Once again, you are using inductive reasoning rather than deductive reasoning.

If the border were secured [as with a physical barrier were the terrain requires such] there would be little to no illegal border crossings and therefore little to no apprehensions at the border.

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging this ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to build a wall and secure our border. And here we are today, no wall, but 10-15 million new illegal entrants and the invasion continues

[dantes]

@johnwk2

If the border were secured [as with a physical barrier were the terrain requires such] there would be little to no illegal border crossings and therefore little to no apprehensions at the border.

Absolutely untrue.

[LucyLou]

@WorldWatcher

@CaughtInTheMiddle

Has everyone now figured out that this shutdown is owned by the Yankee con man?

Yankee con man is offesive to us that are Yankees and men but not cons.

Please use the term “New York Democrat” in the future, since I’m originally from New York but not a DEM I would find that not offensive at all.

Your consideration in this matter is greatly appreciated.
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I am a Democrat and I’m offended by trying to call trump a Democrat. I think he should be called a New York Media Conservative.

[johnwk2]

@dantes

@johnwk2

If the border were secured [as with a physical barrier were the terrain requires such] there would be little to no illegal border crossings and therefore little to no apprehensions at the border.

Absolutely untrue.

Contrary to your above assertion, walls/barriers do work! And, there are a number of existing examples confirming a substantially built barrier/wall drastically reduces illegal border crossings, e.g.,:

Israel’s border wall along the Gaza Strip is very effective, and its southern border wall is likewise effective;

The two-story corrugated steel fence built under Bush in El Paso, Texas has also proven to prevent illegal border crossings;

And let us not forget Yuma, Arizona’s wall cut illegal border crossings to a 10th of what they were in 2006.

The facts are what they are!

JWK

The unavoidable truth is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by taxing millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.

[dantes]

@johnwk2

Contrary to your above assertion, walls/barriers do work! And, there are a number of existing examples confirming a substantially built barrier/wall drastically reduces illegal border crossings, e.g.,:

Israel’s border wall along the Gaza Strip is very effective, and its southern border wall is likewise effective;

Are you saying there are few if any apprehensions along the border of the Gaza Strip?

[johnwk2]

@dantes

@johnwk2

Contrary to your above assertion, walls/barriers do work! And, there are a number of existing examples confirming a substantially built barrier/wall drastically reduces illegal border crossings, e.g.,:

Israel’s border wall along the Gaza Strip is very effective, and its southern border wall is likewise effective;

Are you saying there are few if any apprehensions along the border of the Gaza Strip?

What I wrote was crystal clear:

Contrary to your above assertion, walls/barriers do work! And, there are a number of existing examples confirming a substantially built barrier/wall drastically reduces illegal border crossings, e.g.,:

Israel’s border wall along the Gaza Strip is very effective, and its southern border wall is likewise effective;

The two-story corrugated steel fence built under Bush in El Paso, Texas has also proven to prevent illegal border crossings;

And let us not forget Yuma, Arizona’s wall cut illegal border crossings to a 10th of what they were in 2006.

The facts are what they are!

JWK

[dantes]

It’s crystal clear you cannot back up your assertion about the effectiveness of the wall along the Gaza Strip nor can you demonstrate that there are “few if any” apprehensions along that wall by the authorities there as one would expect if we were to accept your belief on the issue.

Simply put, it’s a silly notion that you’d expect few if any apprehensions at a secure border.

[BlueTex]

@dantes

It’s crystal clear you cannot back up your assertion about the effectiveness of the wall along the Gaza Strip nor can you demonstrate that there are “few if any” apprehensions along that wall by the authorities there as one would expect if we were to accept your belief on the issue.

Simply put, it’s a silly notion that you’d expect few if any apprehensions at a secure border.

Even the CBP admits to the GAO in this report released last year that they have no metrics to determine where to invest in border protection on the southern border… From the report:

Recommendations for Executive Action
To ensure Border Patrol has the best available information to inform
future investments in TI and resource allocation decisions among TI and
other assets Border Patrol deploys in the furtherance of border security
operations, and to ensure that key parties within Border Patrol’s
Requirements Management Process are aware of their roles and
responsibilities within the process, we recommend that the Chief of the
Border Patrol:
• Develop metrics to assess the contributions of pedestrian and vehicle
fencing to border security along the southwest border using the data
Border Patrol already collects and apply this information, as
appropriate, when making investment and resource allocation
decisions; and
• Develop and implement written guidance to include roles and
responsibilities for the steps within its requirements process for
identifying, funding, and deploying tactical infrastructure assets for
border security operations.

Some really great insights into the costs and complexities of what has been deployed, how it’s been breached and the varying requirements.

SOUTHWEST BORDER SECURITY - February 2017

[Phaedrus]

@johnwk2

There were nearly 416,000 apprehensions at the U.S.-Mexico border in the first 11 months of 2018, the most in any January-November period since 2014, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the most recent available data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection. The increase was driven in part by a dramatic spike in border apprehensions of family members in the fall of last year.

Despite the increase, the number of border apprehensions through the first 11 months of 2018 remained far below the levels throughout most of the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s, when around 1 million or more migrants were being apprehended each fiscal year.

The statistics, if accurate, confirm border crossings are surging. Aside from that, one thing is self-evident ___ we have an invasion taking place in our country by the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled and criminal populations from Central America, and Congress has not fulfilled its 1986 promise to secure our border.

If these three paragraphs, in and of themselves, form a foundational premise for your argument, I can’t believe you wrote them with a straight face. The ONLY thing confirmed by the statistics given is that apprehensions are down. Period. Crossings, or attempted crossings, may be up, the same, or down.

Are you really this inept at drawing conclusions?

[mollyBrown]

Day 26 of the Trump Christmas/New Year/ half of January shutdown draws to close.

[johnwk2]

@dantes

It’s crystal clear you cannot back up your assertion about the effectiveness of the wall along the Gaza Strip nor can you demonstrate that there are “few if any” apprehensions along that wall by the authorities there as one would expect if we were to accept your belief on the issue.

Simply put, it’s a silly notion that you’d expect few if any apprehensions at a secure border.

I gave you four examples. I don’t have to prove anything. Walls work when used under the right circumstances.

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging this ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to build a wall and secure our border. And here we are today, no wall, but 10-15 million new illegal entrants and the invasion continues

[johnwk2]

@Phaedrus

@johnwk2

There were nearly 416,000 apprehensions at the U.S.-Mexico border in the first 11 months of 2018, the most in any January-November period since 2014, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the most recent available data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection. The increase was driven in part by a dramatic spike in border apprehensions of family members in the fall of last year.

Despite the increase, the number of border apprehensions through the first 11 months of 2018 remained far below the levels throughout most of the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s, when around 1 million or more migrants were being apprehended each fiscal year.

The statistics, if accurate, confirm border crossings are surging. Aside from that, one thing is self-evident ___ we have an invasion taking place in our country by the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled and criminal populations from Central America, and Congress has not fulfilled its 1986 promise to secure our border.

If these three paragraphs, in and of themselves, form a foundational premise for your argument, I can’t believe you wrote them with a straight face. The ONLY thing confirmed by the statistics given is that apprehensions are down. Period. Crossings, or attempted crossings, may be up, the same, or down.

Are you really this inept at drawing conclusions?

The article states a conclusion.

See: Border apprehensions increased in 2018 – especially for migrant families

The irrefutable fact is, The statistics, if accurate, confirm border crossings are surging.

surge

/sərj/

verb

gerund or present participle: surging

1. (of a crowd or a natural force) move suddenly and powerfully forward or upward.

“the journalists surged forward”

synonyms: gush, rush, stream, flow, burst, pour, cascade, spill, overflow, brim over, well, sweep, spout, spurt, jet, spew, discharge, roll, whirl; More

seethe, swarm, crowd

“contaminated water surged into people’s homes”

• increase suddenly and powerfully, typically during an otherwise stable or quiescent period.

“shares surged to a record high”

synonyms: increase suddenly, rise, grow, escalate, jump, leap, boost

“the Dow Jones index surged 47.63 points”

JWK

Reaching across the aisle and bipartisanship is the Democrat Party Leadership’s Newspeak to subvert the Constitution and screw the American People.

[johnwk2]

@mollyBrown

Day 26 of the Trump Christmas/New Year/ half of January shutdown draws to close.

President Trump must not cave in and surrender the leverage he has to force Congress to make good on its 1986 promise to secure our border.

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging this ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to build a wall and secure our border. And here we are today, no wall, but 10-15 million new illegal entrants and the invasion continues

[BlueTex]

@johnwk2

President Trump must not cave in and surrender the leverage he has to force Congress to make good on its 1986 promise to secure our border.

JWK

Wishing you well… ALL appropriations are for one FY… congress can change them every year…

[dantes]

You said a lot but provided nothing more than your word. Sorry I don’t consider that sufficient proof of said “facts”.

[johnwk2]

So? What is your point?

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging this ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to build a wall and secure our border. And here we are today, no wall, but 10-15 million new illegal entrants and the invasion continues

[Bomberfox]

Der trumpengroper is just doing a scorched earth policy.

[mollyBrown]

The sun rises on another day of the Trump Christmas/New Year Shutdown.

[BlueTex]

@johnwk2

So? What is your point?

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging this ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to build a wall and secure our border. And here we are today, no wall, but 10-15 million new illegal entrants and the invasion continues

Congress could pass appropriations for $100 billion for a wall for this FY and appropriate $0 next year… If the president has not made the case to convince congress and the American people of the necessity of this project (whatever that might be, concrete wall, no scratch that, artistic steel slats) and sustain that support then it’s very unlikely to ever be accomplished…

[Eclipze]

McConnell should strap on a pair and bring the house bill to re-open the government to a vote.